"The average Joe cannot do the breaking you refer to, Mike. Take a look at the average karate student in a class. "
Van, I guess we have to define the term "average".
I have been speaking about dan ranked students who have been training under a serious instructor within a TMA system for at least 5 years. I am not including kids or teens and I am not including kyu ranks in my definition of the average karate-ka. Could the average Shodan or Nidan who has trained as I described break layers of inanaminate objects with the stopping power I presented." Well, I hope so, or else I would wonder about the ranking qualifications of his/her particular organization (and yes I do realize and understand that breaking inanimate objects does not indicate TMA competencY but it is indicative of the type of power that one can generate when properly trained).
"Also Dave Young demonstrated at summer camp, one on one, that hitting a real person as opposed to bricks is a horse of a different color. Pretty embarrassing to find oneself coming up short. Yet with Dave’s ‘cross training’ things improve rapidly in the ‘hitting dept.”
Was the hitting targeted to "soft" or conditioned areas? Was the hitting measured scientifically? To what level of competency did the hitters achieve before attempting this demonstration with Dave?
"TMA’s techniques are not lacking_ it is the implementation and tactical know how and applications that is missing, something that belongs to modern combatives. "
I agree with the first point but as to the second, are there not a number of ancient and current texts describing tactics and strategies including Sun Tsu's 'The Art of War'?
Is this knowledge really limited to modern combatives?
"The old ‘one on one’ is fading out faster than we can think. The majority of fights I read about is always multiples and armed. "
Why has this occurred? Could it be that the bad guys are have lost more than the won (on a one on one basis) due to the expansion of all fighting systems?
Does TMA contain forms and techniques to effectively handle multiple and bladed opponents?
"many TMAs lose fights and are even killed, like the event I investigated and reported about a TMA champion fighter ambushed on dark stairs, leaving his girl’s apt. _ toppled down to the first landing and getting his throat cut. "
I am so sorry to hear of this story and feel for the victim and his loved ones
I also understand that we are all subject to unexpected or random violence and I pray that no one of us ever have to face such a horrific situation. I would also, prefer, at this time not to go into a blizzard of stories wherein TMA's came out on top. I would prefer to focus on the value TMA brings to the self-defence arena.
"One way for you to evaluate the value of Dave’s cross training, and your power to hit and ‘solve’ violent scenarios as you describe, is to come down and train with him and see. "
I would love to travel to Florida, but time, money and distance are a prohibitive factor. Dave, if you ever come to the West Coast please be sure to publicize the event so that I may train with you and encourage other West Coast MA's to join us.
"Working with Dave or Rory, can be a very humbling experience, Mike."
Van, I have no doubt of this statement as I have heard the same from all who have trained with Dave and Rory.
OTOH, Dave and Rory are well conditioned, highly trained and very skillful MA's in their own right. What is the likelihood that we would face such trained individuals in a street encounter?
To Van, I never stated that you or Dave have disparaged TMA and if I have given offense, I apologize.
It appears that there is a trend in certain circles to dismiss the old training methods including the elimination of forms training. I am sure that you (and many others) have read or heard multiple complaints about the supposed lack of self-defence training in TMA? I can't count how may times I have presonally heard or read a comment that (insert fad) is more effective than TMA.
All the best,