...it's entirely possible society will not be as coddley about it as your pathetic mother.
http://www.wftv.com/news/10458584/detail.html
If you kill someone out of boredom and do not regret it...
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I bet the kid's parents were some of those metroidsaxuals Bill's always talking about. 
The victim.
Lovely bunch of kids.
The victim.
Lovely bunch of kids.
New Details Released About Brutal Beating Of Local Homeless Man
HOLLY HILL, Fla. -- More information was released Thursday about the brutal beating of a homeless man in Holly Hill.
Warren Messner, 15, Christopher Scamahorn, 14, and 18-year-olds Jeffery Spurgeon and Justin Stearns have all pleaded guilty to murdering the man in May of last year. A fifth boy, 15-year-old Phi Huynh is charged with a lesser crime.
Since all of the boys but one has made plea agreements, the state released the unedited version of investigators journey to find the people responsible for Michael Roberts' murder. The newly released documents tell more about how the boys interacted with one another.
The father of Spurgeon tells how the boys had been causing trouble in Holly Hill since middle school, how they wanted to form a gang, but didn't know what to call it. He is the same man who urged his son to come forward and admit what he did.
In the transcript, he said, "I hate to rat out my kid, but you've got to pay for what you did."
Warren Messner did not have the same advice. In his interrogation, he tried to blame it on the others.
"I didn't tell nobody nothin', because I didn't do that much," he said.
That's not so, according to released transcripts from the other boys. Spurgeon tells how the 300-pound Messner jumped on the homeless man, crushing his ribs.
According to the reports, the boys bragged about what they did. Scamahorn and Spurgeon even wanted to get tear shaped tattoos, which is a gang sign that you have murdered a man. But before that could happen, friends and family members turned them in.
In the new report, Spurgeon's mother said her son bragged to her about killing the man and leaving the body and asked if she needed anyone taken out.
The four boys will be sentenced in April. The fifth, Phi Huynh, has not yet pleaded to his aggravated battery charge. He is out on bond.
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Stone cold killer. At age 16 he made a car dealer, recently married with something like a 1 month old child, crawl - beg for his life and then shot him in the back, After 20 years in the max - security pen he does the above.
Mitch's parents were well known to be very decent hard working middle class. His sister was a homecoming queen , seemed very well adjusted and was very well liked - something not all homecoming queens are.
Mitch did alot of drugs - parents can be pretty good people, but drugs screw up what could have been a good thing. I don;t think his parents were matroidsexual - even with a wink
Stone cold killer. At age 16 he made a car dealer, recently married with something like a 1 month old child, crawl - beg for his life and then shot him in the back, After 20 years in the max - security pen he does the above.
Mitch's parents were well known to be very decent hard working middle class. His sister was a homecoming queen , seemed very well adjusted and was very well liked - something not all homecoming queens are.
Mitch did alot of drugs - parents can be pretty good people, but drugs screw up what could have been a good thing. I don;t think his parents were matroidsexual - even with a wink
This is the scum walking the streets of America.They admitted to beating Roberts, returning to the scene three times over a three-day period, kicking and punching him, beating him with sticks and rocks, and jumping on him, continuing to do so even though Roberts begged them to stop.
Firearms is the answer. I can see the poor man thinking about having a gun to save him from a brutal death.
A gun is your friend, take good care of it. You may be next.
Van
Van Canna wrote:This is the scum walking the streets of America.They admitted to beating Roberts, returning to the scene three times over a three-day period, kicking and punching him, beating him with sticks and rocks, and jumping on him, continuing to do so even though Roberts begged them to stop.
Firearms is the answer. I can see the poor man thinking about having a gun to save him from a brutal death.
A gun is your friend, take good care of it. You may be next.
He was homeless.
How much do guns cost anyway?
I think Van meant guns were a swell answer in general but wasn't suggesting we all could afford them. I will wonder aloud here... the homeless are clearly a vulnerable population. Most homeless are homeless only briefly, but the rest have high burdens of mental illness and substance abuse that leave them poorly adapted to cope with threats and utlize services available to them. Despite this, does anyone know why this victim didn't involve the police or leave the area he was attacked at for 3 nights in a row? If not after the first night, the second?
--Ian
Im not critisizing his comment per say, just that that guy probably would not have had a gun to save himself.
These thugs picked the bum because they knew he would be an easy target, and that no one would care about him if he were gone.
I lack the experience and expertise to critisize anybody really.
These thugs picked the bum because they knew he would be an easy target, and that no one would care about him if he were gone.
I lack the experience and expertise to critisize anybody really.
"No one would care about him if he were gone."
Ah, but they were wrong. Murder is still murder. And teenage monsters are not the in crowd right now. So they'll pay.
As for departing the scene--I didn't get the sense he was rendered immobile by the first attack, thought I could easily be wrong. I have a feeling it was general disconnection with services and resources and a relative lack of planning skills. There's a reason some people are homeless.
Ah, but they were wrong. Murder is still murder. And teenage monsters are not the in crowd right now. So they'll pay.
As for departing the scene--I didn't get the sense he was rendered immobile by the first attack, thought I could easily be wrong. I have a feeling it was general disconnection with services and resources and a relative lack of planning skills. There's a reason some people are homeless.
--Ian
Im not saying it's true.IJ wrote:"No one would care about him if he were gone."
Ah, but they were wrong. Murder is still murder. And teenage monsters are not the in crowd right now. So they'll pay.
As for departing the scene--I didn't get the sense he was rendered immobile by the first attack, thought I could easily be wrong. I have a feeling it was general disconnection with services and resources and a relative lack of planning skills. There's a reason some people are homeless.
But they were THINKING it, thats probably thier reasoning.
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Adam, people like this are 95% like you and I. But they lack one very important element - a capacity for empathy. Prisons are full of such people.
It is my working hypothesis that a good number of people in prison are also lacking a father figure at home. Consider that one father ratted his own son out when he found out what happened. That's what a responsible father will do. He may have saved his adolescent son from eventual permanent incarceration. Maybe... To the degree there is hope, it's because his dad made it clear what society expects from a responsible male.
Ian makes a good point about a rather large percentage of the homeless. They are that way often because of schizophrenia, etc. The body is there, but the brain is far from a full deck. Perhaps you aren't as familiar with such people, because they could never live outside for a full Edmonton winter. Farther south, you find more than a few such people living a miserable existence outside in some godforsaken place in large cities. While it may be possible to see how sociopathic youths can find it easy to dehumanize such an individual, he still is legally a human and likely expressed quite a bit of pain and displeasure at the torture.
Consider how depraved a young boy must be to come back night after night to deliver such repeated beatings. Obviously the street person wasn't the only individual here dealing with less than a full deck. One wonders if there's anything salvageable in such individuals.
- Bill
It is my working hypothesis that a good number of people in prison are also lacking a father figure at home. Consider that one father ratted his own son out when he found out what happened. That's what a responsible father will do. He may have saved his adolescent son from eventual permanent incarceration. Maybe... To the degree there is hope, it's because his dad made it clear what society expects from a responsible male.
Ian makes a good point about a rather large percentage of the homeless. They are that way often because of schizophrenia, etc. The body is there, but the brain is far from a full deck. Perhaps you aren't as familiar with such people, because they could never live outside for a full Edmonton winter. Farther south, you find more than a few such people living a miserable existence outside in some godforsaken place in large cities. While it may be possible to see how sociopathic youths can find it easy to dehumanize such an individual, he still is legally a human and likely expressed quite a bit of pain and displeasure at the torture.
Consider how depraved a young boy must be to come back night after night to deliver such repeated beatings. Obviously the street person wasn't the only individual here dealing with less than a full deck. One wonders if there's anything salvageable in such individuals.
- Bill
