Tensho

[benzocaine]

Look at this Shito Ryu Kata.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGeIuc0wNOg

It makes you realise just how much the Okinawan styles overlap

[Bruise* Lee]

I think SHito ryu is oen of the best places to see the overlap. If memory serves me "Shito" is formed by the use of 2 Kanji - one taken from the name of Itosu (Shorin ryu) and one from Hiagaonna (goju ryu or maybe more correctly Naha te). These were the 2 instructors of the guy who founded Shito ryu - can't think of his name off hand. I studied Motobu ha shito ryu from 1975-1980 - this was the first group I was with who was affilated with Juko kai. Juko kai did not do Shito ryu per se, my instructor had been with Siyogo Kuniba and left for the opportunity to train with Sacharnoski - which at the time was worth it.

Any way the founder of Shito ryu combined from the Naha te and Shorin - so you see some forms with dynamic tension. I think Shorin also has Saifa and sieunchin as well.

Kyokushin also had a mixture of shotokan and Goju - so many of the Kyokushin did dynamic tension.

[Bruise* Lee]

I think Shito ryu's founder was Kenwa Mabuni.

I think there is an old joke that goes something like : if Rosemary Clooney married Kenwa Mabuni, divorced him and married Itosu Yasutsune, divorced him and married Toshiro Mafuni she would be Rosemary Clooney-Mabuni-Yasutsune-Mafuni.

Okay maybe there ISN'T an old joke that goes like that.... but there should be

[Stryke]

It`s hard for Shito-ryu not to overlap , it has stuff from everyone !!!


from a Uechi perspective of interest I think is Shinpa , supposedly inspired by training with Kanbun

http://www.shitokai.com/movies/shinpa.php

[Glenn]

Shinpa is such a brief kata, reminds me of some of the Uechi bridging kata in that respect and by some of the techniques used. But there is debate about how much it may have been influenced by Uechi. Here is a 2002 discussion of that for anyone interested:
http://forums.uechi-ryu.com/viewtopic.php?p=42265

[Kuma-de]

I think SHito ryu is oen of the best places to see the overlap. If memory serves me "Shito" is formed by the use of 2 Kanji - one taken from the name of Itosu (Shorin ryu) and one from Hiagaonna (goju ryu or maybe more correctly Naha te). These were the 2 instructors of the guy who founded Shito ryu - can't think of his name off hand. I studied Motobu ha shito ryu from 1975-1980 - this was the first group I was with who was affilated with Juko kai. Juko kai did not do Shito ryu per se, my instructor had been with Siyogo Kuniba and left for the opportunity to train with Sacharnoski - which at the time was worth it.

Any way the founder of Shito ryu combined from the Naha te and Shorin - so you see some forms with dynamic tension. I think Shorin also has Saifa and sieunchin as well.

Kyokushin also had a mixture of shotokan and Goju - so many of the Kyokushin did dynamic tension.

Arrrrggggghhhhhh! You left Kuniba for Sarchanowski? Say it ain't so, Joe?

[Kuma-de]

Tensho kata was created by Miyagi Chojun Sensei after one of his visits to China with his friend, Gokenki, another "tea" merchant from Fujian Province that taught "Hakutsuru" or White Crane Kung Fu.

While in China, Miyagi learned "Rokugoikkishu" form which is done similar to Naifanji's side to side stepping. On Okinawa this form was simplified in slang as "Rokkishu".

Miyagi formed Tensho by taking the open handed waza of this kata and adding the sanchin stepping. At the same time, Miyagi closed the fists on the Sanchin kata to epitomize the 'GO' or hard of Goju and Tensho would represent the 'JU' or gentle aspects.

I find the Japanese performances of these kata to be weak. But there are exceptions. When I trained with Shogo Kuniba, he did a strong version, as did Teruo Hayashi also of Shito Ryu.

I hope this helps,