Good post George, but I am not sure we are getting the point across.
In my past forums discussions about realism and the effects of the chemical cocktail shaping our response action physically and emotionally_ and my discussions on the value of modern combatives’ concepts mated to tradition_ I was always referring to the average martial artist produced by a dojo, and not to ‘specialized’ groups.
And it was precisely the ‘dojo trained group’ who felt dissed and wrote to you behind the scenes.
In reading your posts I get the impression, possibly the wrong one, that you are referring to Dave Young’s training as one for specialized groups, such as instructing police personnel_ as it was the previous failed attempt couple of years ago_ failure meaning _ no interest_
Dave states the following
Traditional arts teach you many wonderful things...and they prepare you an encounter or attack which may happen....and in the reality world we prepare you the encounter and attack that [i] will happen . These two are very different, not only from the reaction side of this but from the mental and physical preparational sides as well.
Here, when he refers to attacks that ‘will happen’ he may in fact be referring to specialized groups such as police, correct?
These two are very different, not only from the reaction side of this but from the mental and physical preparational sides as well
Will TMA read into this that their traditional training is deficient in preparing them physically and mentally?
Then we have
As I mentioned before the new civilian martial arts program we are launching in Mar 07 will change the way professionals have viewed and practiced the arts for real self defense and protection in the streets, their homes and in the courtroom.
The web can be a troublesome communication media with all kinds of misunderstandings, so it is essential that we are clear and clear again, and define and define again what we mean or try to sell.
For examp-le we have words such as ‘civilian martial arts program’ _ Civilian as opposed to what? Military? Police?
How many times have we seen the argument that as karate practitioners ‘we are not police/military’ etc. etc. _ meaning we don’t need to do any of this stuff_ what we practice happens to have self defense in it and it will be successful against the average street attack. This argument in response to my discussions of reality concepts_ NO?
will change the way professionals have viewed and practiced the arts for real self defense and protection in the streets, their homes and in the courtroom.
What defines ‘professionals’ in this context? Are we including a professional karate teacher running a dojo, as an example? And if so, isn’t this ‘professional’ catering to the average ‘Joe’ instead of specialized groups?
Do you see where the TMA practitioners may cloud?
And more so
We have been training professional since 1984 in protecting their lives in both the streets, courtrooms and at home, and I am challenging the readers and fellow martial artists to make it a point to attend our training certification in Mount. Dora, FL March 26-28, 2007...
So does this mean that the ‘fellow martial artist’ [us] will receive the same training that professionals have received since 1984, in order for the average karate practitioner to learn things that the Traditional practice does not provide?
Okay_ But will this training also include physical techniques and mindset issues that TMA does not provide?
In self defense training when your own life or the lives of your loved ones are on the line, the ONLY guarantee one can give is their word and the successful achievement of that goal.
I agree. But I bet many TMA teachers reading this will not like it, because they believe that it is all in their system and ‘mushin’ will take care of any problem, as we have been reminded before _ time and again.
I am intentionally being verbose and ‘needling’ so as to stimulate some conversation or this will remain another dead thread.