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CANDANeh wrote:
Just received this from Miho

"the name can eather Kamiunten or Ueunten. There are both family name of Okinawan. There is a place name used same character in Okinawa"
Thanks, Leo. Babelfish sees Kamiunten as well. So Miho's expertise confirms that we have a name - at least the characters anyhow.

上運天

Unfortunately I have no idea who such a man is in the Uechi style family. But at least we've verified that it isn't Uechi Kanmei.

And FWIW, here is the Shinjo name (found on the page).

新城

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Dana the following people are related to Uechi-Ryu in these photos

1st row, second column, Kenyukai, Shinjo Kiyohide

2nd row, third column, Shinkoukai, Kamiunten Seiko (Masataka)

3rd row, 4th column, Kenseikai, Senaga sensei

All others are from Goju-Ryu and Shorin-Ryu.

Just got back from Ohio. I had all these great plans of contacting people when I got back, but time flew and I am already back in Okinawa. Hope you had a good New Year's.
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Thanks so much!

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Hi Mike,

Glad you had safe travels and thanks for dropping by. I had forgotten just how many different Uechi groups had formed even though I saw a list a few years back.

Here's a list of most of them:
http://www.uechi-ryu.com/oldsite/petar_bogunovic_1.htm

I don't know the current status of the federation...is it still active Mike?

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Dana
UECHI-RYU KEI KARATE-DO RENGOKAI
(Uechi-Ryu Lineage Karate-Do Federation)

Eleven groups of the Karate-Do system of the "Tiger, Crane and Dragon" founded the UECHI-RYU KEI KARATE-DO RENGOKAI (Uechi-Ryu Lineage Karate-Do Federation) on November 26, 1999. in Naha (Okinawa, Japan).

The founders are the following organizations:
# 1. Okinawa Karate-Do Kyokai
# 2. Uechi-Ryu Karate-Do Shinkokai
# 3. Uechi-Ryu Karate-Do Hozonkai
# 4. Paigannun-Ryu Karate-Do Kyokai
# 5. Uechi-Ryu Karate-Do Renmei
# 6. Okinawa Gannun-Ryu Karate-Do Kyokai
# 7. Uechi-Ryu Zamami Shubukan
# 8. Okinawa Gannun-Ryu Karate-Do Kobudo Shuwakai
# 9. Okinawa Karate-Do Ramusesu Kurabu
# 10. Okinawa Gannun-Ryu Karate-Do Kobudo Kowakai
# 11. Uechi-Ryu Kenseikai
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Dana,

I am not sure about RengoKai. I know it was still active around 6 months ago. Nago is not part of it so there are really now communications with them. I will have to ask around. There are actually a few other organizations out there. At one point I believe there was talk about there being around 15 or 16 associations now with thier roots in Uechi-Ryu. It is a shame how split it has become. I would have to check the latest list I have. I know there are at least two branches of Konan-Ryu here now, which is basically Uechi-Ryu with an emphasis on kobudo. I will see what I can find out.

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The guy with the white beard doing the Nicho Nunchaku form is Nakamoto Masahiro, who's school is called the Bunbukan.

Dana Sheets wrote:Yep - on another viewing that is probably not Kanmei Uechi. I don't recognize him. Master Senaga moves very similarly to how he did in the DVD GEM sells.

I do not think the nunchaku kata is Mr. Toyama. That fellow, while he has the same beard shape, is about twice as round as Mr. Toyama and much stockier. And moves very differently than how I remember him moving. I'll ask Seizan to drop by and watch...perhaps he can also identify that other fellow who isn't Kanmei Uechi.

I took the text that pops up with the viewing window over to babelfish...most of the text talks about the name of the kata, then the beauty of the Uechi system as it combines circles and straight lines, and the long time it takes to master the whole body something or other...not really much help.
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Thanks Russ!

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Excellent! Thanks, Russ!

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Thank you kindly.

And there are two links on this page 2/3 down the page that play video:
Uechi school

The founder of this school is Master Kanbun Uechi (May 1877 to June 1948). This school is the newest in Okinawa’s four main streams of school. Uechi school is based on “pangainukenpo” which is where founder Kanbun Uechi was taught in Fukkenshu China.

Cooperation: Kokusai Uechi Ryu Karate-do Association, Renshi 6th Dan black belt, Master Satoshi Uechi
http://www.okinawabbtv.com/internationa ... enter.html#
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Why is Satoshi-san performing a different type of elbow strike in seisan?

My student, Seth Rosenblatt, visited the Shinkookai dojo recently, and showed the very different Uechi, as taught by
Uehara sensei, the son of master Uehara who was a Kanbun disciple.

The variations we see in Uechi are mind boggling. :)
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Van wrote:
Why is Satoshi-san performing a different type of elbow strike in seisan?
I had to go through Dana's link to find out what you were talking about.

My favorite saying - It is what it is. :wink:

What we have is the lateral elbow movement (as opposed to rising elbow) mixed with the front stance. In addition to changing the angle at which the elbow comes to the finishing point, it also completely disposes of the classic hiraken hand posture.

No blood, no foul I guess. God won't strike him down with lightning for creating a new combination of upper and lower body Uechi parts. It's original.

My only problem with it would be if he completely disposed of that original elbow technique with the hiraken hand. That's a Uechi classic. Some of you folks may have seen a video clip I did where I was punching holes in mats with that hiraken hand (a.k.a. cobra strikes). It's one of Uechi Ryu's precious hidden weapons.

Maybe it's just the student and that performance, Van. Who knows?? For all we know, his teacher could be cringing. :lol:

The kata performances in general in that video didn't look like competition variety. The filmmaker shows people doing these in "count" fashion like drills rather than the kind of spirited kata Kanbun taught. Coffee without the caffeine. Again, it is what it is. That kind of training serves a purpose in a short window of time.

The kids' sparring wasn't bad. 8)

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Van

There are two video links there. One is Karate training where you see students doing kata. The other is Kata where Satoshi Uechi does Seisan.

It's in the Karate training video where the odd elbow technique is executed. The same technique done by Satoshi San in the kata clip is cut off a bit, but I believe he's doing the traditional rising elbow with hiraken. You certainly don't hear the elbow hitting a palm hand. Instead, all you hear is a foot stomp.

FWIW....

Just a student hiccup I guess. 8)

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Thanks Bill, Got it. :wink:
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The two Sakugawa no Kun clips on this site are an excellent example of either divergence over time or two completely different kata having the same name. The 4th clip in the 2nd row, demonstrated by Yoshio Teruya, is the Sakugawa no Kun of Matayoshi Ryu kobudo. I do not know which kobudo style the one demonstrated by Naonobu Ahagon (4th clip in the 1st row) is from. It's a stretch to find many similarities between them.

Interestingly they both have the same voice-over, about originating from Sakugawa himself. The question becomes: Has a single kata been modified divergently along two different lineages to the extent that the two 'daughter' results appear unrelated to each other, or has two originally different kata been given the same name possibly because they both represent two different kata originally taught by Sakagawa or for some other reason?
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