gmattson wrote:I guess to some people, any level of consciousness and/or awareness developed through the practice of something like karate, would be considered to be a type of "enlightenment".
Each of us define such terms in our own way. The difficulty and disagreements arise when we attempt to convince others, that what we have defined as "enlightenment" is the same enlightenment as defined by someone else.
hoshin wrote:well like i said before sanchin is the perfect moving zen. if you care to view it that way. my training was in an authentic zen tradition but the founder was also a japanese sword master and calligrapher so the lineage has a warriors slant on it which i could really relate to. sitting on a pillow meditating is a more direct path but moving and doing sanchin i would say is easier. in the same way doing sanchin for 3 years is more direct but learning other kata and kumite ect is easier.
this topic is so very difficult to disscus in person never mind put down in type.
i think the mystery of japanese culture still gets in the way. language barriers and all. so the word satori would be translated to "enlightenment" but in english that word can have several meanings were satori does not. and unless you can sit and define what it is not , you can not always grasp what it is. i sometimes use love as an analogy. if an adult tries to explain adult love to a 5 year old , we might use terms like "butterflies in the stomach" "floating on cloud nine" "getting sweaty palms" however the 5 year old will still not see the allure to the opposite sex and probably thinks "whats so great about getting sweaty palms?" all the talk about cloud nine can actually confuse more then explain. the child wonders how we can get up that high to sit on the cloud and are the clouds really numbered?
in the same way talking about satori can distract and confuse. only after you experience it, do you say " oh ok i get it now" and then you realize its not that big a deal, you did not gain anything its not something so mystical after all. most of us know now that there is nothing so mystical about asian fighting arts either. but back in the 50's and 60's we thought there was.
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