The Story of Respect

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The Story of Respect

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I always look forward to Terry Bryan's email. Hope you enjoy this latest offering about respect.

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There is an ancient story of respect told by explaining the respect that tigers have for one another in the jungle. They respect one another, give each other distance and seldom fight each other. The story goes that they understand that should they fight; the outcome would surely be that one would die and the other would be maimed for life.

This used to be the respect black belts and warriors held for one another, but today I am afraid that we have drifted to a level of talking smack, disrespect, and ego’s beyond control. From my experience, many times the ones that speak the loudest are the ones that have the least skill and are merely puffing out their chest.

Imagine two warriors, facing one another with razor sharp swords knowing that the law of “One Encounter, One Chance” is in effect and in a matter of minutes, there are going to be four possible conclusions, and only one will offer the opportunity to survive.

The first option is they both miss during the initial engagement and must set up for the second attack.

The second option is that they are both are good, relatively matched in skill and today is the day that they will both die in battle as they successfully mortally wound one another.

The third option is that your opponent is better, and although you have lived a good live and trained hard, it is his day to walk away the victor and your day to die.

The fourth and only option of choice for the true warrior is that my opponent will die a quick and efficient death and you will return on your path and future goals.

Why is it today, that the students we train do not get this picture? There is only one chance to make first impressions. There is only one chance to do something right and to the best of your abilities the first time. There is only one chance to tell the truth, live with dignity and give it your all in everything you do. What is hard about this concept? Why haven’t we been able to pass that one to the next generation and all our students?

As far as I know, this thing we call life is not a rehearsal for something else. There is not a reset button where when things don’t go our way, we can just start the game over again. Sometimes I find it real hard to find restraint when I find myself surrounded with weak people that don’t have a clue, talk smack constantly and seem to push people around mentally and physically all the time. I must admit, I have thoughts that maybe… just maybe... that a warrior should protect the weak and helpless by putting these bullies in their place!

But then I remember the wisdom of the tiger. Even if we did win the battle, would we win the war? Legal ramifications, possibly everybody getting hurt or even the regret of hurting fellow human all must be considered. Maybe I should just keep my distance, walking carefully and avoiding those type of people realizing, when push comes to shove, in reality one of us will probably die and the other will indeed be maimed for life.

Respectfully,

Terry Bryan, Sensei
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Good thread

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When it comes to ‘senior’ respect in Uechi Ryu and given the myriad of associations now in existence_ I have always wondered what the Okinawan culture, within the Uechi tradition, defines the term ‘senior’ _

From the okinawan masters_ we have heard over the years about the importance of respecting seniority.

So a few questions:

1. Do they define ‘seniority’ to be respected only within the individual association? What is the standard of ‘respect’ as taught by the senior/seniors [Okinawan masters]?

2. Should it matter if the senior person is in another organization, for example? In other words, is a senior of another association worthy of the same standard of ‘respect’ or not?

3. Should it matter if the person is not in the same training lineage? If he is not, is he still a senior overall worthy of respect?

4. Is it based on age?

5. Is it based on present rank level only? Does it matter if the rank of the person is from a sister association that doesn’t see eye to eye with another?

6. What does Okinawan culture provide in the way of ‘respect guidelines’ to be followed in the cross section of Uechi groups diversifications?

7. What kind of person _ no names_ just category of person within the system associations, should be the subject of respect in accordance with Okinawan culture?

8. Is it based on who earned Shodan first (therefore, entered the Dan ranks first)? Is it based on present rank level only?

9. Does Uechi Ryu Okinawan culture specify the need to scrutinize the ‘worthiness/quality’ of rank seniority based upon some ‘home standard ‘before showing respect for such a senior?

What is this ‘quality standard’?

10. What does Okinawan culture recommend, if any, in the ways of recognizing and showing respect to a senior?


We have seen so much back-biting over the years, In Okinawa as well as in the States, questions about rank validity tied to some self serving standard and so on.

So I am just curious.
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<Sigh...>

You've raised teenagers, Van. You know the score.

That's the age where they don't let you get away with hipocracy. The say-do thing is so important. If a mother is yelling at her son for smoking with a cigarette in her hand... Yea, that happened with my best friend. Fortunately he finally quit and became a pediatric surgeon. She suffered an early death from lung cancer. Hmm...

Back to the teenagers... Older son is 14 now. He's stubborn like dad, and now he knows it all. It's the age. 8)

Mom doesn't get it. Bless her heart... But if I died, my boys would probably be in jail.

You want your kids in control? YOU need to be in control. Want your kids not to curse and to disrespect? Then YOU need to model that behavior.

There are times...

I am most proud of my son when he looks at an adult and calmly tells said person that their behavior is uncalled for. You go, boy! Those are extremely rare moments for a 14-year-old, but they happen with greater frequency when adults around them behave that way.

I think the best we can do, Van, is to model the behavior we expect. I don't lose sleep when I see the bad behavior. I just try to be the better person.

A successful life is the best revenge. As I like to say, time wounds all heels. 8)

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Hi
Basically karate as lost ,is losing respect at an alarming rate ,its seen in a different light these days ,the statement such as " He's a black belt " carries little or no respect on the street .
You will find here and there respect shown though.

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Max

It is my impression that the Average Joe does not "get" karate. This was my observation way back in the early days (1970s) here when all people knew about it was board and brick breaking. And why? Because that's all the public was exposed to. That and a smattering of kung fu movies.

I think karate - like fine wine - needs time to age in The West. What matters can and probably will endure.

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Hi Bill ,

True the average joe does not understand karate ,we have found difficulties understanding it our own selves over the years :D but non the less they understand certain things ,the mystique for one ,its also proved no better than any other fighting tradition ,MMA for another ,they don't see karate headlining ,its not even a support band .

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True...

But Karate Do was never meant to be a sport. Sport martial arts is a byproduct of karate. MMA is a byproduct of a mixture of striking and grappling arts.

Sport practitioners will have the advantage in a sport arena.

Those who train in the modern military will have the advantage on the battlefield.

Karate do is a way of life - hence the "Do" part. It traditionally is what men did to preserve their body of knowledge in fighting when there was peace. We study it and savor it the way we enjoy reading Musashi's Book of Five Rings. We may never pick up a katana, but we will know how to engage in conflict in the general sense.

It's kind of like weight lifting. It won't teach you how to fight. But you're dead in the MMA ring if you don't do any. It builds a foundation, and you go where you want with it.

As for MMA, well... An original musician friend of mine had a saying. "What will they call Alternative (a genre of music) when it becomes mainstream?" MMA is nothing more than a filtering process designed to give you a collection of tools to bring inside a sporting ring. You drill what you need for sport, and discard the rest. No eye gouges needed. No multiple opponent scenario training needed. No VSD or legal training needed. No biting needed. No force continuum needed. Etc., etc., etc. You specialize so that you can optimize for that venue.

And when it comes time for competition, only the elite genetic specimens survive the process.

Some styles are especially suited for the MMA ring, since that's how they optimize their arts. Muay Thai and BJJ come to mind.

Ultimately as time evolves, "MMA" won't be. It'll be its own thing. It'll be (gasp) a style of martial art.

And in the next generation, the new kid on the block will "dis" it. :wink:

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Hi Bill ,

I understand what you are saying ,
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I understand what you are saying ,from one martial artist to another ,but at the moment the public does not have your vision ,they see as it grows in front of there eyes ,or it starts to topple ,this as a impact upon the masses to karate from a respect viewpoint .

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A wise basketball coach (Terry Holland) once said 'I'm not as bad as they said I was when they villified me, and I'm not as good as people say I am now that they praise me.'

It takes a special few to preserve and express what is best in our art for the sake of future generations.

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Good points.

But I am more interested in the respect or lack thereof displayed within our system_ practitioners of the system but in different organizations.

No easy answer.
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The real reason???

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Most, if not all, splits were caused because of personal conflicts. Of course, no one said "I'm forming my own organization because I hate soandso's guts! Of course, they explained how they had to split and form a new organization because of "technical" differences! :)

So guess what... the organizations took on the fueds and childish behavior formally limited to a few individuals. And therefore, the organizations created out of hatred isolated themselves with cultish attitudes instead of respecting the individuals' ability... which should be one of the primary reasons for martial respect.

Some of this boorish behavior will possibly disappear as the old guard's memory fail and they start to drool when they attempt to remember why they hate soandso.

Lets hope so.
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Bob Campbell just sent me this to post
Dear Sensei, Friend, My Senior & Mentor, Van

If you feel this is appropriate, kindly post on your Thread

The Meaning of Respect

Respect begins with one's self balanced by humility and
a Lions Heart......

Respect can only be given to others by honorable people
blessed with good judgment and blind to politics or favor.

Seek not to receive respect from those who demonstrate
the inability to judge seniority & accomplishments based
on their own self serving needs.

Respect is not found in a belt or Dan or recognition from
lesser men..... respect is a quality best demonstrated by the
acts and judgments of greater men !

Look not to some far away land which once had fame to claim
for honor and respect as the sun has set in those places.

The sun always rises in the face of men with honor.....

In those faces, you will find respect, look no further
than Home and the Friends that surround you !

Strength & Honor,

Faithfully your student,

Bob Campbell

Uechi Ryu Karate Do Hong Kong

Student for Life
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Post by maxwell ainley »

Van sensei ,You are quite correct their are no easy answers ,it was more simple when kanei sensei was the headmaster ,yet he himself must have felt badly about things when some of Kanbun sensei's seniors would not join his association .

Back in the early 70 s ,there were lots of breakaway groups etc, in wado etc, in our areas ,I thought the masters will not behave like this ,or I thought they would be above this kids stuff ,years later I was proved wrong ,they make similar mistakes ,
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Respect is not found in a belt or Dan or recognition from
lesser men..... respect is a quality best demonstrated by the
acts and judgments of greater men !


that wonderful word!
thank you very much Sensei Bob
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