http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTekxVLvuwc
http://www.btinternet.com/~jonathan.masters/renshi.htm
Bet you haven't seen Konchin quite like this before...
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Bill Glasheen
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Ouch! That's downright nasty.
It's one thing to have bad technique. It's another thing entirely to get the actual techniques wrong in so many places the way he does.
- Bill
It's one thing to have bad technique. It's another thing entirely to get the actual techniques wrong in so many places the way he does.
- Bill
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I didn't see who taught him Uechi on his list. But I've seen Uechi incorporated into "multi discipline" schools before, with similiar results.
Cool deck to train on, that was my favorite part. Makiwara screwed to the frame, awesome.
F.
Cool deck to train on, that was my favorite part. Makiwara screwed to the frame, awesome.
F.
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This is a classic example of someone learning a kinetic art from static photos in a book. I can't tell you how many dozens of eager students that have made their way into my dojo after "studying" Uechi from an obscure instructor. Nowadays, it's a second-generation issue--it's not the students themselves that learned from a book, but the student's "Sensei" that did so.
The student will refuse to believe he was duped by an illegitimate Uechi instructor, and will soon quit rather than admit the error & begin proper training.
It's always a sad, sad situation.
(sigh)
The student will refuse to believe he was duped by an illegitimate Uechi instructor, and will soon quit rather than admit the error & begin proper training.
It's always a sad, sad situation.
(sigh)
Study the technique, until the technique studies you.
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Bill Glasheen
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I like his use of dynamic range in his kata...nice to see the kata change speeds.
Just a thought,
Vicki
Just a thought,
Vicki
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I wonder if he meant to thrust off the forward leg on the first run of strikes?
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It's more than that on the Uechi Sanchin, Rick. Note his second circle block and double boshikens.
These are beginner errors.
The Kanshu kata did have an interesting embellishment. The unusual turn in it borrows from a Sanseiryu idea. Only a grappler would see it.
The guy has potential.
I had a student like this once. She will remain unnamed. But she came to me after having been with some off-the-wall guy teaching sort of kind of something like Uechi. What she was doing was a mess, but I saw an interesting martial artist under the covers. So I did something with her that I've never done before. Rather than start her from scratch, I would take her kata and make modifications and adjustments one issue at a time. Like Michaelangelo once said about his method for sculpting, I removed everything that wasn't "David", one piece of stone at a time. I got lost in the process, and enjoyed having her as a student.
One day she came to me with this advertisement about some World Tournament that George was running. She asked if I thought she should compete. Sure, I said. It couldn't hurt. The experience will be fun. Well... She came back as the women's kata champion. Go figure...
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
- Bill
These are beginner errors.
The Kanshu kata did have an interesting embellishment. The unusual turn in it borrows from a Sanseiryu idea. Only a grappler would see it.
The guy has potential.
I had a student like this once. She will remain unnamed. But she came to me after having been with some off-the-wall guy teaching sort of kind of something like Uechi. What she was doing was a mess, but I saw an interesting martial artist under the covers. So I did something with her that I've never done before. Rather than start her from scratch, I would take her kata and make modifications and adjustments one issue at a time. Like Michaelangelo once said about his method for sculpting, I removed everything that wasn't "David", one piece of stone at a time. I got lost in the process, and enjoyed having her as a student.
One day she came to me with this advertisement about some World Tournament that George was running. She asked if I thought she should compete. Sure, I said. It couldn't hurt. The experience will be fun. Well... She came back as the women's kata champion. Go figure...
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
- Bill
I am not thinking one way or the other about this particular martial artist. Let me explain what I was thinking.
In the beginning I assumed that he had incorporated Konchin into his own system and was teaching it this way. All the really old kata are like this. I perform Naihanchi Shodan the way I was taught (more or less) in Matsubayashi Ryu, but the Shotokan, Matsumura Seito, Motobu Ryu, etc. versions are slightly different in many respects. I do not look at these other versions and regard, for example, kiba dachi instead of naihanchi dachi as "wrong", just an intentionally different choice. This variance between styles is something we get used to.
Uechi Ryu practitioners have the same relationship with Sanchin. Suppose one sees a Goju Sanchin on Youtube. Nobody (rational) gets excited over that not being within the normal range of variation of Uechi Sanchin. It is accepted for what it is. Between styles we accept wide variation. Within each style there is accepted variation, too, but smaller in magnitude. So the question is one of intent. Which relationship to the Uechi Konchin is intended? Should I regard the variances with an intra-style frame of mind or extra-style?
As I said, my original conclusion after researching the practitioner's background was that the extra-style mindset was the more appropriate, and I mainly considered it a curiosity that a relatively young kata, which we know to have been authored within and for Uechi Ryu, apparently exists in this recognizable yet in many ways quite different form outside of Uechi Ryu. Given the extra-style frame of mind, the only criticism in my mind was that I thought it should be described as "Ni Kawa Kai Konchin" instead of Uechi Konchin.
In the beginning I assumed that he had incorporated Konchin into his own system and was teaching it this way. All the really old kata are like this. I perform Naihanchi Shodan the way I was taught (more or less) in Matsubayashi Ryu, but the Shotokan, Matsumura Seito, Motobu Ryu, etc. versions are slightly different in many respects. I do not look at these other versions and regard, for example, kiba dachi instead of naihanchi dachi as "wrong", just an intentionally different choice. This variance between styles is something we get used to.
Uechi Ryu practitioners have the same relationship with Sanchin. Suppose one sees a Goju Sanchin on Youtube. Nobody (rational) gets excited over that not being within the normal range of variation of Uechi Sanchin. It is accepted for what it is. Between styles we accept wide variation. Within each style there is accepted variation, too, but smaller in magnitude. So the question is one of intent. Which relationship to the Uechi Konchin is intended? Should I regard the variances with an intra-style frame of mind or extra-style?
As I said, my original conclusion after researching the practitioner's background was that the extra-style mindset was the more appropriate, and I mainly considered it a curiosity that a relatively young kata, which we know to have been authored within and for Uechi Ryu, apparently exists in this recognizable yet in many ways quite different form outside of Uechi Ryu. Given the extra-style frame of mind, the only criticism in my mind was that I thought it should be described as "Ni Kawa Kai Konchin" instead of Uechi Konchin.
Mike
