Any info on this graphic or Sensei Don Quinty would be a great help.
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In trying to find out some background on my first Sensei Don Quinty in St.Petersburg, FL I found an old hand out from the class. across the top it said University of Karate Uechi Ryu A few graphics location info schedule and all that. One of the graphics I don't know what it refers to and wonder if it would help find out more info on him and his lineage in Uechi Ryu. Here is a copy of the graphic.
Any info on this graphic or Sensei Don Quinty would be a great help.
Any info on this graphic or Sensei Don Quinty would be a great help.
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I am not familiar with Sensei Quinty, but are you sure "University of Karate Uechi Ryu" is correct or is it "University of Florida Uechi Ryu"?
Regarding the graphic, this is just a guess but I would assume it represents Sanchin in some way, with the 3 circles representing the "3 battles" and the 3 S either representing the name Sanchin or 3 terms that the artist associates with the 3 battles.
Regarding the graphic, this is just a guess but I would assume it represents Sanchin in some way, with the 3 circles representing the "3 battles" and the 3 S either representing the name Sanchin or 3 terms that the artist associates with the 3 battles.
Glenn
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It can be difficult to know what someone meant when writing whatever.
Recently George posted my Renshi "dissertation", which was the first of a kind for that kind of document leading to a Uechi Ryu renshi title. I wrote it circa 1993. As I went through it about 14 years after having written it, I found errors in my Japanese (hazuki instead of hajiki) and a few errant references (I know what I meant, but I wrote it down wrong). So... We all make mistakes.
I have to admit that University of Karate Uechi Ryu is a new one on me. It makes me wonder if it wasn't a goof. I'm with Glenn on this one, in that he may have meant something else. Was this associated with any University club at any point in time? Could this have been a typo?
University of Karate is a bit... well... it is what it is. If that's what he meant, then that's what he meant. But I know of no organization like what you are quoting.
As for your picture...
... well I've never seen it anywhere. However I can surmise a meaning to it. There are lots of threes in our style. The number appears in many ways, including the names of the three kata (sanchin = 3 conflicts; seisan = 10 3 or 13. Sanseiryu = 3 10 6 or 36). Also, you will note that the 3 main kata all start with the letter "S." And there is the whole idea of how the three forms are intrinsically related to each other, as this pseudo Venn Diagram implies.
The picture is also a bit of a different spin on the whole Okinawan Karate symbol. Some swirl to the right...
... and some swirl to the left.
In addition to the China/Okinawa uses of the symbol (domoe), you'll also find something similar (the triskellion) in Celtic cultures.
In any case, I think this is your own teacher's thing from program to symbols.
FWIW, my dojo has its own symbol, which I developed from a number of indigenous ideas, traditions, and concepts. I have that symbol in my patch. If you try to make a connection between that and any of my teachers, you aren't going to find it.
And finally... Florida is Florida. There are a number of Uechi people who moved down there in the 1960s and 1970s, and started doing their own thing. Some of it was legit, and some of it was... quite creative.
It's all good.
Bill
Recently George posted my Renshi "dissertation", which was the first of a kind for that kind of document leading to a Uechi Ryu renshi title. I wrote it circa 1993. As I went through it about 14 years after having written it, I found errors in my Japanese (hazuki instead of hajiki) and a few errant references (I know what I meant, but I wrote it down wrong). So... We all make mistakes.
I have to admit that University of Karate Uechi Ryu is a new one on me. It makes me wonder if it wasn't a goof. I'm with Glenn on this one, in that he may have meant something else. Was this associated with any University club at any point in time? Could this have been a typo?
University of Karate is a bit... well... it is what it is. If that's what he meant, then that's what he meant. But I know of no organization like what you are quoting.
As for your picture...
... well I've never seen it anywhere. However I can surmise a meaning to it. There are lots of threes in our style. The number appears in many ways, including the names of the three kata (sanchin = 3 conflicts; seisan = 10 3 or 13. Sanseiryu = 3 10 6 or 36). Also, you will note that the 3 main kata all start with the letter "S." And there is the whole idea of how the three forms are intrinsically related to each other, as this pseudo Venn Diagram implies.
The picture is also a bit of a different spin on the whole Okinawan Karate symbol. Some swirl to the right...
... and some swirl to the left.
In addition to the China/Okinawa uses of the symbol (domoe), you'll also find something similar (the triskellion) in Celtic cultures.
In any case, I think this is your own teacher's thing from program to symbols.
FWIW, my dojo has its own symbol, which I developed from a number of indigenous ideas, traditions, and concepts. I have that symbol in my patch. If you try to make a connection between that and any of my teachers, you aren't going to find it.
And finally... Florida is Florida. There are a number of Uechi people who moved down there in the 1960s and 1970s, and started doing their own thing. Some of it was legit, and some of it was... quite creative.
It's all good.
Bill
For some reason I cannot view these articles (at http://uechi-ryu.com/pages/articles ). When I click on the link to each article it just takes me back to the main http://uechi-ryu.com homepage. I've tried it on my home PC and my work PC and get the same result. I thought maybe it wanted me to log on to the main site, but that didn't help. Is there some trick to pulling up these articles?Bill Glasheen wrote: Recently George posted my Renshi "dissertation"
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Still some missing links...
I found the problem, but won't have time to fix the rest of the links until Sunday.
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The Triple Sickle
Well:
just as an interesting asidem the triple sickle symbol, as i refer to it, is also shown as the motif on may books on Homeopathic Medicine.
needless to say, I couldn't make a connection.
Anybody have any ideas on the Subject?
J
just as an interesting asidem the triple sickle symbol, as i refer to it, is also shown as the motif on may books on Homeopathic Medicine.
needless to say, I couldn't make a connection.
Anybody have any ideas on the Subject?
J
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John
You're going to have to give me an example. I can't find any reason to believe that a triple anything is associated with homeopathic medicine.
The domoe associated with martial arts is of China and Okinawa origin. The triskelion is a Celtic thing. Homeopathic medicine was founded by the 18th century German Dr. Samuel Hahnemann. Thus there's no good reason to believe it's at all associated.
Show me an example and I'll check it out. But I've done a little research and can't find a connection.
And for you homeopathic fans out there... Sorry to break it to you, but this is probably the Forum to do it.
This is from the American Cancer Society news center - a link I found from a UVa Medical Center website.
You're going to have to give me an example. I can't find any reason to believe that a triple anything is associated with homeopathic medicine.
The domoe associated with martial arts is of China and Okinawa origin. The triskelion is a Celtic thing. Homeopathic medicine was founded by the 18th century German Dr. Samuel Hahnemann. Thus there's no good reason to believe it's at all associated.
Show me an example and I'll check it out. But I've done a little research and can't find a connection.
And for you homeopathic fans out there... Sorry to break it to you, but this is probably the Forum to do it.
This is from the American Cancer Society news center - a link I found from a UVa Medical Center website.- What is Homeopathy?How does it work?
Some people believe that homeopathic medicine works by stimulating the body's own natural defenses. Dr. Hahnemann believed homeopathic remedies would replace the illness with a similar but weaker illness the body's "vital force" could more easily overcome.
However, the use of highly diluted substances has not been shown scientifically to work. If there is less than one molecule of a substance present, it means that no substance remains. How then, can homeopathic remedies have any impact on symptoms or
disease? In what way is it more than water?
The reason most commonly offered today by homeopathic proponents is the remedy's water has a "memory" of the original substance. What is this memory? Homeopaths say it is electromagnetic waves of the active ingredient it once contained. They say that vigorous shakings between each dilution make this memory possible.
Another explanation, heard less often, is that all of the shaking and dilution activity releases the essence, or healing life force, of the original substance. Many advocates of homeopathy indicate they do not know how it works, and that later research will unlock that mystery. Homeopathic supporters have not been able to offer an explanation that scientists can reproduce or accept. How its remedies could work remains a perplexing problem for homeopathic proponents and is a major source of scientific skepticism.
Clinical homeopathic research has produced varying results. Some studies indicate it is effective in the treatment of allergies, infant diarrhea, and other problems; other studies do not. Researchers in Britain recently looked at the results from the most well-designed research projects about homeopathy. After careful study, they decided that there was little reason to believe that homeopathic remedies work.
Will homeopathy help?
Most scientists say homeopathic remedies are basically water and can act only as placebos. A placebo is a "sugar pill" which appears to reduce symptoms by means of mental suggestion. However, homeopathic remedies involve using products that are safe and have no side effects. If only through the power of the mind, they can be used to reduce the symptoms of self-limiting illnesses (aches and pains that will go away on their own in a week or so). Thus, homeopathic remedies help some people get through these problems with fewer symptoms and may shorten the length of these illnesses.
Many avid supporters swear by homeopathic remedies for allergies, colds and flu, and other minor but annoying ailments. Homeopathic remedies have not been shown to have any impact on serious illness. In fact, using homeopathic remedies may delay diagnosis and effective treatment of serious illness when time is of the essence. Homeopathy's only medical danger lies in postponing recognized, proven treatment for major diseases or serious problems that are best diagnosed and treated as early as possible.
