This surfaced in Canada last week; it's on CNN by now.
A young lady ( 19 years old) in Saudi Arabia was gang raped, and subsequently SENTENCED to 6 months in jail and 90 lashes as HER punishment.
( Her crime was being in the company of a male not related to her, in public.)
Her lawyer protested this sentence, and so he was removed from the case and HER sentence was increased to 200 LASHES and the 6 months in jail.
The punishment is administered via a bamboo cane approximately 1/4" thick and a yard long.
200.
Think about it.
Put yourself in her place, if you can even imagine it.
Thank you.
Please drive through, and have SUCH nice day, too! How's your gas?
~N~
200 lashes.
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200 lashes.
The music spoke to me. I felt compelled to answer.
I heard she was raped and then got the lashes, which is ironic, since the penalty for raping someone is 200 lashes, not the other way around. I wonder how they ended up reversing it and had HER get flogged instead of the men who raped her.
Screw Saudi Arabia. Their embarrassing in every way and form.
See if this were Canada i would be shocked.
But this coming out of saudi arabia just does not surprise me.
I bet that she was a foreigner, and the rapists were native born Saudis.
Just a guess.
Screw Saudi Arabia. Their embarrassing in every way and form.
See if this were Canada i would be shocked.
But this coming out of saudi arabia just does not surprise me.
I bet that she was a foreigner, and the rapists were native born Saudis.
Just a guess.
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Rick Wilson
This is a clear hatred of women being expressed.
And sadly this hatred is institutionalised there.
Both she and the male were raped and both convicted and sentenced to jail and lashes.
Her punishment was raised because she brought this disgrace to media’s attention.
The rapists almost got off lighter.
Not an “enlightened” society in anyway.
Disgusting.
Here is the article with the details:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/11/1 ... shing.html
And sadly this hatred is institutionalised there.
Both she and the male were raped and both convicted and sentenced to jail and lashes.
Her punishment was raised because she brought this disgrace to media’s attention.
The rapists almost got off lighter.
Not an “enlightened” society in anyway.
Disgusting.
Here is the article with the details:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/11/1 ... shing.html
Rick Wilson wrote:This is a clear hatred of women being expressed.
And sadly this hatred is institutionalised there.
Both she and the male were raped and both convicted and sentenced to jail and lashes.
Her punishment was raised because she brought this disgrace to media’s attention.
The rapists almost got off lighter.
Not an “enlightened” society in anyway.
Disgusting.
Here is the article with the details:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/11/1 ... shing.html
It goes beyond the borders too sometimes. Saudi foreign students often are very cautious on what they say about the government when they are travelling abroad.
I can't confirm this, this is just a 'rumour' though i heard it from people who once were in saudi arabia as foreign workers.
Could be hear say, but still, something to consider.
Re: 200 lashes.
2Green wrote:This surfaced in Canada last week; it's on CNN by now.
A young lady ( 19 years old) in Saudi Arabia was gang raped, and subsequently SENTENCED to 6 months in jail and 90 lashes as HER punishment.
( Her crime was being in the company of a male not related to her, in public.)
Her lawyer protested this sentence, and so he was removed from the case and HER sentence was increased to 200 LASHES and the 6 months in jail.
Please drive through, and have SUCH nice day, too! How's your gas?
~N~
It's really very painful to read this story.
As we know in Islam, women don't have the same status or rights as men.
But this is a problem in every culture not only in Muslim culture.
Worldwide thousands of women are target of men's aggression,get awful treatment and experiencing physical or sexual violence.
I asked myself: If men ever realized that they got their life from a woman too?
As women,we need to keep in mind that there
are some things we cannot do, some places we should not go.
We learn early that we must take extra care to be safe.
Take care where we walk, where we park and travel...
Our daily life is feeled with fear...
We just learn in our early age that their is no safe place.
After all you do not know who can you trust anymore?
May women be afraid of strangers? Who is most likely to hurt us? -- a husband, a lover, a father,a friend, a college,a boss, a stranger?
I just wander who will take the necessary steps to end this violence?
Eva
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This is lashing done to a man's back. A woman has more body fat and usually softer skin that a man, especially a 19 year old. Can you imagine what that young woman's back is going to look like afterward with 200 lashes? She will probably bear scars for the rest of her life, scars her husband will see every time she is naked. How incredibly heinous this is!
Vicki
Vicki
"Cry in the dojo, laugh in the battlefield"
Here is one from 2003:
ACTUAL 2003
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Arab News, Riyadh/Jeddah/Dhahran, 18 November 2003
Woman Sentenced to 500 Lashes for Immoral Conduct
Staff Writer
JEDDAH, 18 November 2003 - A Jizan court has sentenced a young woman to 500 lashes for allegedly spending time alone with a young man and marrying him hours after divorcing her former husband, Al-Madinah reported on Sunday.
According to the court ruling, the groom will also get 500 lashes while the mazoun who married them will get 30 lashes for violating Shariah rules.
The woman was on bad terms with her former husband and entered into a romantic relationship with the young man. But under Shariah, she was required to wait for three months before marrying another man, the paper said.
Copyright: Arab News © 2003 All rights reserved.
ACTUAL 2003
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Arab News, Riyadh/Jeddah/Dhahran, 18 November 2003
Woman Sentenced to 500 Lashes for Immoral Conduct
Staff Writer
JEDDAH, 18 November 2003 - A Jizan court has sentenced a young woman to 500 lashes for allegedly spending time alone with a young man and marrying him hours after divorcing her former husband, Al-Madinah reported on Sunday.
According to the court ruling, the groom will also get 500 lashes while the mazoun who married them will get 30 lashes for violating Shariah rules.
The woman was on bad terms with her former husband and entered into a romantic relationship with the young man. But under Shariah, she was required to wait for three months before marrying another man, the paper said.
Copyright: Arab News © 2003 All rights reserved.
"Cry in the dojo, laugh in the battlefield"
We have to be careful however in branding entire cultures and branches of belief. There is so much going on.
Remember, the whole pastoral patriarchal aspect is very very old, has been int he culture for a long time. IE why you see Sudan and Nigeria have stupidity you see in saudi arabia.
Notice how we always hear these types of stories coming from either: Saudi arabia, Sudan/nigeria and Iran(though the internal culture is very different). Rarely do we hear this come from pakistan and Syria and egypt and lebanon, malaysia or turkey(not something doesn't come up occasionally)
Because those countries have moved past the whole tribal culture aspect. They are still in transition of coarse, as you can see from honor killings in poor parts of Lebanon.
Iran is a good example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3DAruFNz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzZ7xftXmLc
Remember, the whole pastoral patriarchal aspect is very very old, has been int he culture for a long time. IE why you see Sudan and Nigeria have stupidity you see in saudi arabia.
Notice how we always hear these types of stories coming from either: Saudi arabia, Sudan/nigeria and Iran(though the internal culture is very different). Rarely do we hear this come from pakistan and Syria and egypt and lebanon, malaysia or turkey(not something doesn't come up occasionally)
Because those countries have moved past the whole tribal culture aspect. They are still in transition of coarse, as you can see from honor killings in poor parts of Lebanon.
Iran is a good example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3DAruFNz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzZ7xftXmLc
Just for clarity, she's not being lashed for being the victim of rape, according to the stuff I've read. I originally had the impression the lashing was punishment for the victimization itself, which isn't the case. The punishment is definitely still abhorrent, but not quite as ridiculously so as if it had been because she was raped.
The law is horrendously stupid, but the rape is actually sort of unconnected. Even in the US, if a woman went on a killing spree, but was then gang-raped, she would still be prosecuted for the murders. Obviously (to us) being alone with a man and going on a killing spree are totally without comparison, but in Saudi Arabia they have this (completely insane, we can all agree) law that they think is very important.
Much of the outrage is about the increase from 90 to 200 lashes, which is deemed excessive in comparison to other punishments.
Here is the woman's testimony
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Sto ... 920&page=1
The law is horrendously stupid, but the rape is actually sort of unconnected. Even in the US, if a woman went on a killing spree, but was then gang-raped, she would still be prosecuted for the murders. Obviously (to us) being alone with a man and going on a killing spree are totally without comparison, but in Saudi Arabia they have this (completely insane, we can all agree) law that they think is very important.
Much of the outrage is about the increase from 90 to 200 lashes, which is deemed excessive in comparison to other punishments.
Here is the woman's testimony
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Sto ... 920&page=1
There are like a millions...minus the karate.fivedragons wrote:I think more people like Van might be the answer.
usually, this isn't reported.
But if this were any other middle eastern country other then saudi arabia, her family would probably wait for the guy to go to the bank or work or whatever, take him in a field and murder him.
Though it's most likely to happen by the hands of Bedouins then it would in anywhere urbanized. Also, depends on how far the law/government reaches.
