Pangainoon Shorei Ryu "Free Work"?

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:12 pm

maxwell ainley wrote:For one Bill ,back when I was on with learning sanchin ,I had a few enemies ,and it was only a matter of time before my sanchin would be tested for real ,I searched for application ,plus I needed to know if sanchin stacked up in a encounter , this was all part of my research .

Max,
In what specific ways did it stack up in the encounters?

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:06 pm

Mike,

Max,
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In what specific way did it stack up in the encounters?"

" how you train is how you will fight ".
In jiyu kata ,and personal to the practioner anything can pop up peculiar ,and warts and all to reflect the practioner ,all I had from uechi-ryu was sanchin,prior to this training I had a stint in wado-ryu , a Point I wish to make is nothing technique wise from wado popped up in any encounter I had during the sanchin period in question ,but I always carried my anointment with violence inherited from my father .
Technique wise I had power and very fast mobilty ,but the thing that stood out for me was my stability when it came to push and shove coupled to a better instinctive understanding of balance against my enemies ability ,and I realised this in action ,my fighting brain kicking in after taking some blows .
in grappling exchange my head /shoulder stabilty proved to be tactics in its own right ,simple yet hard gained attributes ,registering to me but creating great difficulty for him .

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:25 pm

Thanks Max. I can see how a good base can give an extra edge.

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:03 pm

No problem Mike.

The thing that pleased me I used the weapons that I had put so much faith and effort into ,And I instinctivly made sound use of the sanchin structure ,but also there were flaws ,which meant there were a lot of lessons ahead of me .

max.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:33 pm

maxwell ainley wrote:
The thing that pleased me I used the weapons that I had put so much faith and effort into ,And I instinctivly made sound use of the sanchin structure ,but also there were flaws ,which meant there were a lot of lessons ahead of me .

What is the nature of those flaws? Do you view them as a matter of approach to training, personal execution, the natural order of things in an actual self-defense encounter, or something else?

- Bill

fivedragons · Post by **fivedragons** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:29 pm

Now we're getting somewhere.

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:22 am

Bill Glasheen wrote:
maxwell ainley wrote:
The thing that pleased me I used the weapons that I had put so much faith and effort into ,And I instinctivly made sound use of the sanchin structure ,but also there were flaws ,which meant there were a lot of lessons ahead of me .
What is the nature of those flaws? Do you view them as a matter of approach to training, personal execution, the natural order of things in an actual self-defense encounter, or something else?

- Bill

I will try to put this in a proper context, this is from over thirty years ago ,I was not a seasoned practioner by any means,also I had a short but very intensive relationship with sanchin [it was research ,Kanei sensei had ok it via my instructor ] but with time i took things as personal ,even bordering upon the idea that this was the superior type of training [a flaw] when in effect it was just pure hard training that fighting systems past and present have dished out .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:53 am

Form my point of view, a enemy is'nt going to wait around whilst you have lots of stratergy under your belt ,or you arnt ready for the fight just yet . An assault could come anyold time ,fortunately I had enough with sanchin, what do you do ? say wait while I have kanshiwa and seisan to a skill level .
Plus lots of sparring practice .There were flaws in my sanchin ,but it was either crumble or go down fighting .

A real fight is a great teacher ,underpressure my sanchin structure held out even when I kicked of with the uechi sanchin statue stratergy ,which got me a quick battering [flaw] yet in the clinch up it had the edge to give me the advantage to drive into motion to start dishing out some spearhands but my fingers gave way [a flaw] .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:13 pm

The spear hands drove him backwards ,then crumbled ,but he was hurt bad ,It was linear ,but as he came again I turned him sideways with part of the sanchin turn ,my fighting brain was kicking in now .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:25 pm

I turned him pulling off balance hitting hard with morote double boshikens ,but he came back with a new clinch and head butted me opening up a old scar on the eye brow ,that I got at junior school turning as I exited a classroom with a empty milk crate receiving a glancing blow of a sharp corner of a old piano ,ironically I had turned in to a repeat perfomance,but this time there was a man trying to follow in for the kill.

max.

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:43 pm

The head butt was followed up by a attempt to knee me ,but I checked it by instinctivly jamming by changing my whole posture driving forewards and shoulder charging ,totally knocking him off balance ,by this time I was bleeding heavy from the headbutt, and there was'nt a cut's man in my corner .
This man was'nt your at a distance type of fighter,I followed in with a smother of his arms and applied a powerfull closed gate shot into his side ,we came to a clinch with an attempt to rip of my one of my ears .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:15 pm

I instinctivly swept the ear grab to one side ,racking his eyes ,while shied away ,attempting to grab my hands my hands were now doing something different I pincered him on the wind pipe with another very short close gate ,this finished him .

max.