They call this Bunkai

Kuma-de · Post by **Kuma-de** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:13 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqWQbpYEvBo

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:22 am

Thank you for reminding me why I retired my gi and stopped doing karate.

Kuma-de · Post by **Kuma-de** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:26 am

MikeK wrote:Thank you for reminding me why I retired my gi and stopped doing karate.

Hey, hey... we are not all this bad!!

mhosea · Post by **mhosea** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:32 am

I've had worse.

Although I have to admit, my favorite parts were the bow avoiding a high kick and later when some poor uke does a lunge punch and leaves his arm sticking out for something like 2-3 seconds.

I think I should know this, but I don't: what are you doing these days, Mike?

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:39 am

To be fair, thats probably just a demo, i got a friend who trained shorin, and told me that they would do ##### like that simply to put on a show. But hey, maybe they think it's real stuff.

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:01 am

AAAhmed46 wrote:To be fair, thats probably just a demo, i got a friend who trained shorin, and told me that they would do ##### like that simply to put on a show. But hey, maybe they think it's real stuff.

Show or no it's got to go...

I particularly liked how none of their stances were any good, the long row of belts told the story.

I've seen all kinds of similar things, karate, kung-fu, whatever, it's all like some kind of dress up role playing game with little or no martial value. The fact that those in the audience applauding and those participating think it's good tells the story.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:05 am

JimHawkins wrote:
AAAhmed46 wrote:To be fair, thats probably just a demo, i got a friend who trained shorin, and told me that they would do ##### like that simply to put on a show. But hey, maybe they think it's real stuff.
Show or no it's got to go...

I've seen all kinds of similar things, karate, kung-fu, whatever, it's all like some kind of dress up role playing game with little or no martial value. The fact that those in the audience applauding and those participating think it's good tells the story.

Yeah it's pretty pathetic.

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:16 pm

mhosea wrote:I think I should know this, but I don't: what are you doing these days, Mike?

Still training with the same guy, but over time kata and bunkai were pushed out by more application work. These days it's more about passing on his knowledge than a style of karate, and given his background that's a pretty varied amount of subject matter. Yesterday for example besides some techniques, it was how to find, filter and sterilize water.

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:05 pm

MikeK wrote:
mhosea wrote:I think I should know this, but I don't: what are you doing these days, Mike?
Still training with the same guy, but over time kata and bunkai were pushed out by more application work. These days it's more about passing on his knowledge than a style of karate, and given his background that's a pretty varied amount of subject matter. Yesterday for example besides some techniques, it was how to find, filter and sterilize water.

Whoa...

Don't tell me you guys have a: How to eat bugs night--too..

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:16 pm

JimHawkins wrote:Whoa...

Don't tell me you guys have a: How to eat bugs night--too..

Ummm, well, uhhh, kindof, sortof, eventually.

There also more indoors type of stuff like what you can use dental floss for besides good dental care.

Like I said, given his background it's a pretty varied amount of subject matter.

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:41 pm

Cool..

I've heard cockroaches are highly nutritious and plentiful not to mention crunchy...

Now there's a bunkai...

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... d=21872741

mhosea · Post by **mhosea** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:11 pm

AAAhmed46 wrote:To be fair, thats probably just a demo, i got a friend who trained shorin, and told me that they would do ##### like that simply to put on a show.

Well, yes, I think that's generally true, but it's passe because people are no longer awed by eastern martial arts in general, and too many ordinary people can recognize unrealistic demos. It's just bad marketing, IMO, and it needs to stop. Although you can get any kata guy to talk about realistic bunkai, too often it is spoken of as an "advanced", even a secretive thing shared by masters with their trusted lieutenants, as if beginners and intermediate students can't or shouldn't be taught to connect their kata with things that actually work. Makes me wonder what percentage of them actually know such things and what percentage of them were told about such things but simply never taught.

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:23 pm

Regardless of what the intent was of the 'demo' a trained eye can see from how they move and the movements as executed, etc, exactly what they got or not.

In this case not.

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:35 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlnrMBIjFgA

Mike check out 1:15..

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:04 pm

Pieces of the original Shorin Ryu bunkai were worth considering, and other parts naturally were ridiculous.

I was a little saddened seeing "black belts" doing Passai Sho with so little caffeine in the coffee. There didn't seem to be a sense that they knew how to tap into their core strength to make the moves effective. That more than the Hollywood bunkai is what bothered me.

The Kyokushinkai match is what it is. The short Fujiwara has quite an advantage where you're allowed heavy contact to the legs and body, but no head shots. It creates its own brand of disconnect. Note how they stopped the match when Fujiwara got hit in the neck, but then he won on the trick rolling kick. Effective is banned, and Hollywood wins. Same thing IMO.

But it makes for great sport and entertainment. And of course Fujiwara is a fine athlete.

Now then if Fujiwara faced Mike Tyson on the street, well ...

- Bill

They call this Bunkai

They call this Bunkai

Just to clear the pallet