very interesting!!!

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:14 pm

Folks

There's a great thread started here by Carlos. I like Carlos a lot, and consider him both a friend and a fantastic international representative of the art of Uechi Ryu. I'd like to see the ideas continued - either in this thread or a new one.

Marcus and I are enjoying considering some of the grappling (tegumi, Oki sumo) aspects of Okinawan martial arts. A number of others (Laird, Mike, 5dragons) are getting that it's perfectly fine to have "the good book" (in kata) and create or acquire a Rosetta Stone for it by any means necessary. This is a great start.

And for what it's worth... In my older years I am learning to choose my battles. I stepped out of one here for a bit because it took us all off the subject, and I was having more fun enjoying life on a holiday weekend. Now that I'm back, I'll see what I can do about getting this back on track.

Oh, and thanks to all for covering my back.

- Bill

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:54 pm

Well, Bill…yes I agree to get back on track.

_Looking at all this _ it does pain me to see that some communication has taken the form of hostile, resentful and confrontational, and not without good reason.

We have to be fair and recognize there is some heavy baggage that perhaps we should leave on the dock in order to move forward.

I think the anger of some posters does have roots in insults real or perceived, now as in the past. We have all made mistakes now and then _ thus creating ‘hurt’ in the process.

In all fairness to Jim, yes he did piss off lots of Uechi people, especially in the very beginning, when he was openly critical of Uechi techniques and concepts.

Yet he is correct when he writes that many of us agreed with some of his critique at one point or another.

His recent posts may also be interpreted to mean ‘more of the same’ in slamming Uechi….but, as he writes; he did not attack Uechi directly. We all have lots to learn in this respect.

By his last posts it is easy to see that he is hurt by our comments, and possibly we could give him the benefit of the doubt and cut him some slack…then we can wait and see.

I had promised myself that this 50th celebration for George should occur on a clean slate for us all; free of anger and resentment, and this is my offering.

CARLOS SENSEI · Post by **CARLOS SENSEI** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:15 am

bill I am grateful for his words and honored by their friendship.
Here a good gift to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCNsxs9 ... re=related

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:40 am

Thank you for that clip, Carlos. This reminds me of my first karate instructor, Master Hiroshi Hamada.

Some of those techniques were quite deceptive. I note one punch to the head that wasn't to the head it all. It grazed by the neck, both stimulating the baroreceptors and breaking the person's center. Very clever!

There were many wonderful examples of attack/takedowns in that clip. It's certainly something to study.

Bill

CARLOS SENSEI · Post by **CARLOS SENSEI** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:34 am

earlier in the clip we see what was done 20 years ago, karate sports, somehow a reflection of what is practiced in the Dojo, let's see now karate sports today, we can compare them, David Santana is World Champion in WKF .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8O03kGu ... re=related

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:14 am

CARLOS SENSEI wrote:
earlier in the clip we see what was done 20 years ago, karate sports, somehow a reflection of what is practiced in the Dojo, let's see now karate sports today, we can compare them, David Santana is World Champion in WKF .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8O03kGu ... re=related

This is obviously a fine practitioner.

I've always felt that WKF rules give you a "sport" that looks like WKF - no matter what style you practice. It is a sophisticated game of tag.

David is very good at this game.

- Bill

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:17 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3F2-wce5Lg

Posted By Jim , kakie fits well with Uechi IMHO

chef · Post by **chef** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:34 pm

Question: is that much face contact acceptable and standard for WKF rules?

Regards,
Vicki

TSDguy · Post by **TSDguy** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:35 pm

Stryke wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3F2-wce5Lg

Posted By Jim , kakie fits well with Uechi IMHO

Those drills are almost- er.. the physical equivalent of verbatim- the drills I learned as a wee-belt in TSD. Amazing how intertwined and irrelevant styles are.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:18 pm

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"Posted By Jim , kakie fits well with Uechi IMHO "

Kakie is a bit like single pushing hands , but done with lots of strength and tension. I can never tell whether that's a good or bad thing. I suppose the best way would be to do it both ways. How would it fit into Uechi though?
I would think it would be based very strongly on the full sanchin stance and somehow bringing the Wa-uke in....also would it be hard or soft or both, or start hard and go soft

...these folks tried it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai1HtkMMrEc

I do very much like the idea

CARLOS SENSEI · Post by **CARLOS SENSEI** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:47 pm

Vicky
according to who is and who the referee is the competitor who struck in the face of the adversary.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:19 am

Kakie is a bit like single pushing hands , but done with lots of strength and tension. I can never tell whether that's a good or bad thing. I suppose the best way would be to do it both ways. How would it fit into Uechi though?
I would think it would be based very strongly on the full sanchin stance and somehow bringing the Wa-uke in....also would it be hard or soft or both, or start hard and go soft ...these folks tried it

Hey Ray , yeah my preference is to concentrate more on the yeild and be softer and more fluid , but hard is good too at times , but I`d rather program the feel . I refer to this as the outside position .

to uechify it is simple , take arm rubbing and the sanchin thrust , but dont do it force on force or just shearing , when one pushes the other yeilds and vice versa , Sanchin mechanics , and exactly pushands , closer to tai-chi flavour the way I focus it . Once you`ve done it it fits so well hard to think it wasnt ever in there .

We then use the Wauke as a transfer and link to other positional drills , and as a direct application , lots of fun to be had in tactile training .

And as Goju demonstrates , it`s definately a part of karate in some circles , just one Tegumi drill

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:27 am

Stryke wrote: Hey Ray , yeah my preference is to concentrate more on the yield and be softer and more fluid

The whole key here is to use their energy and force against them... If they forcefully take position they had to use energy that 'wants to leave that position' to take it--essentially over shooting that position.. In so doing it gives the partner the opportunity to let their force go without opposing it and re-take the desired position, which allows for control of an attacking line/position.. If these kinds of concepts are used strength/speed can become a non-issue, which IMO is what it's all about.

As Marcus once said about this concept with great accuracy--it seeks the path of *no resistance*..

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:31 am

Agreed Jim , to be able to let the force go and keep position disrupt and dominate facing .

I`m going to end up sounding like one of those gung fu bridging guys .

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:35 am

Stryke wrote: I`m going to end up sounding like one of those gung fu bridging guys.

That's okay you can always just call it 'crash and bash' if the other stuff sounds too much like it came from the lotus garden..