I figured I'd start a seperate thread regarding Obama. I'll lead off with this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7609872.stm
Obama won't take care of his own family, but he's going to take care of the US? This is disturbing to me.
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Since we got a threat nut riding Palin, we might as well start off nut riding obama before getting to the critique like we did with Palin.Jason Rees wrote:I figured I'd start a seperate thread regarding Obama. I'll lead off with this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7609872.stm
Obama won't take care of his own family, but he's going to take care of the US? This is disturbing to me.
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As we all know, there is no connection between Obama sending money to gammy and his ability to "take care of the nation," unless Jason is just ANOTHER NEEDY LIBERAL HOPING FOR A PRESIDENT WHO'S JUST GOING TO HAND OUT MONEY TO EVERYONE and SEND AMERICAN MONEY TO AFRICA WHERE THEY NEED TO LEARN TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES!
Haha. I jest, but is there any news?
Haha. I jest, but is there any news?
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I did not see any mention in the article that:
1) Obama had declined ANY request for money from his relative
2) Obama had declined ANY request for assistance moving from his relative
3) Obama wasn't very well thought of in the area
Or anything.
We are presented with zero information about whether he's communicated with this woman and whether, in fact, she wants or needs anything from him. She may well not. Not every African is begging for American assistance. Beyond that, not every family member gets along with, or is close to, every family member. I know of plenty of people of all political colors who are estranged from wives or husbands or family and yet are perfectly capable of leadership. I fail to see why this woman's existence indicts Obama, whereas if she did not exist, his lack of care to her thousand nearest neighbors would be morally irrelevant. Did McCain send this impoverished region any money?
If you want to make a fuss about these issues, present a fair comparison of the charitable donations of "how many houses do I own / it takes five million to be rich" McCain with Obama (also rich, but shot on delicious faux pas about wealth that I am familiar with).
1) Obama had declined ANY request for money from his relative
2) Obama had declined ANY request for assistance moving from his relative
3) Obama wasn't very well thought of in the area
Or anything.
We are presented with zero information about whether he's communicated with this woman and whether, in fact, she wants or needs anything from him. She may well not. Not every African is begging for American assistance. Beyond that, not every family member gets along with, or is close to, every family member. I know of plenty of people of all political colors who are estranged from wives or husbands or family and yet are perfectly capable of leadership. I fail to see why this woman's existence indicts Obama, whereas if she did not exist, his lack of care to her thousand nearest neighbors would be morally irrelevant. Did McCain send this impoverished region any money?
If you want to make a fuss about these issues, present a fair comparison of the charitable donations of "how many houses do I own / it takes five million to be rich" McCain with Obama (also rich, but shot on delicious faux pas about wealth that I am familiar with).
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Ian, if you want to gripe about McCain's money, start a different thread. This issue points to Obama's lack of ability to take responsibility for anything.
With Rev Wright, and Father Michael Pfleger, it was his claim that he 'didn't know about' their anti-American rants. With Ayers, his campaign simply tries to drown out any word of connection. In fact, he demanded that the Justice Department open a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION against the people making the accusations about his ties to Ayers.
With Rezko, he claimed he had never done anything to advance Rezko’s business interests. Someone discovered a letter Obama signed supporting a Rezko project to city and state housing officials. Obama claimed he wasn’t aware of the letter and blamed his staff for mishandling it (in other words, they should have shredded it, but didn't). When Obama was asked how much money Rezko raised for Obama campaigns, and Obama answered, he was proved to be giving numbers that were way too low. Once again he blamed the mistake on his staff.
He won't own up to his anti-gun voting record. He claims he's not anti-gun, but he's supported banning semi-automatic weapons and more in the past. In 1996 he answered a candidate questionnaire form that he supported a ban on handguns. During his run for the president, he's blamed that on a staffer. The Chicago Tribune claimed that Obama supported the DC gun ban. Obama once again blamed that on a staff member. Is he lying, or is he really that bad at finding good people?
This year Obama was asked about funding he got for the University of Chicago while his wife, Michelle, worked there. He claimed that someone on his staff had handled it, because of course neither he nor his wife would have allowed his office to benefit his wife’s work. Of course not. Obama's a saint, right? He sure finds some wicked staff members, though.
So, what am I to believe? That he's a saint who does a terrible job of delegating tasks? That he's a thug willing to use the government against his political enemies? He has stated several times that he wants to redistribute industry profits to the American people. Income redistribution. In the U.S. We're a socialist government now? When did this happen? He claims he respects the rights of gun owners, but he doesn't want handguns in the hands of American citizens. He won't take responsibility for his actions, much less his family. Ready to take responsibility for the free world? Not likely.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/26 ... c-gun-ban/
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 33B6E8E59E
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... bilit.html
With Rev Wright, and Father Michael Pfleger, it was his claim that he 'didn't know about' their anti-American rants. With Ayers, his campaign simply tries to drown out any word of connection. In fact, he demanded that the Justice Department open a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION against the people making the accusations about his ties to Ayers.
With Rezko, he claimed he had never done anything to advance Rezko’s business interests. Someone discovered a letter Obama signed supporting a Rezko project to city and state housing officials. Obama claimed he wasn’t aware of the letter and blamed his staff for mishandling it (in other words, they should have shredded it, but didn't). When Obama was asked how much money Rezko raised for Obama campaigns, and Obama answered, he was proved to be giving numbers that were way too low. Once again he blamed the mistake on his staff.
He won't own up to his anti-gun voting record. He claims he's not anti-gun, but he's supported banning semi-automatic weapons and more in the past. In 1996 he answered a candidate questionnaire form that he supported a ban on handguns. During his run for the president, he's blamed that on a staffer. The Chicago Tribune claimed that Obama supported the DC gun ban. Obama once again blamed that on a staff member. Is he lying, or is he really that bad at finding good people?
This year Obama was asked about funding he got for the University of Chicago while his wife, Michelle, worked there. He claimed that someone on his staff had handled it, because of course neither he nor his wife would have allowed his office to benefit his wife’s work. Of course not. Obama's a saint, right? He sure finds some wicked staff members, though.
So, what am I to believe? That he's a saint who does a terrible job of delegating tasks? That he's a thug willing to use the government against his political enemies? He has stated several times that he wants to redistribute industry profits to the American people. Income redistribution. In the U.S. We're a socialist government now? When did this happen? He claims he respects the rights of gun owners, but he doesn't want handguns in the hands of American citizens. He won't take responsibility for his actions, much less his family. Ready to take responsibility for the free world? Not likely.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/26 ... c-gun-ban/
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 33B6E8E59E
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... bilit.html
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Oh, get over it, TSD. I watched the Palin interview by Gibson, and I watched the O'Reilly interview of Obama. If you choose to exclude one news source because they say things you don't want to hear, that's your choice, but I will post whatever I like. Does Fox have a slant? Yes. Does CNN? Yes. Does MSNBC? Obviously. I posted several links, one of which was to Fox. If I refused to read anything that had a slant or bias, I might as well sell the computer, burn my books, and go live under a rock.
Bravo, Jason
Many eons ago 'we' read' Izvestia & Pravda and other Open and not-so-Open Sources - to find out what the enemy was thinking. 
Whatever our political take I admire the uninhibited open debates on these fora which range over all issues, Uechi and other while keeping a somewhat civilized demeanor.
I thank all for making the readings so interesting.
Best, Jason.
Whatever our political take I admire the uninhibited open debates on these fora which range over all issues, Uechi and other while keeping a somewhat civilized demeanor.
I thank all for making the readings so interesting.
Best, Jason.
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Yeah, but of course the Russians themselves joked that there was no news in Izvestia and no truth in Pravda.Topos wrote:Many eons ago 'we' read' Izvestia & Pravda
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I don't get so worked up about Obama and his starving brother as much as I'm glad that there's some news source not fawning all over him. Even multiple SNL skits (Obama vs. Hillary debates) have made fun of how the press throws themselves at the guy. And SNL is hardly Fox News.
If the guy makes it into the oval office in this or a future election, the world isn't going to be so kind. Frankly it's probably a good thing that the pit bulls in the press go after those wanting this office. It would just be nice if they could be intelligent and even-handed about it...
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If the guy makes it into the oval office in this or a future election, the world isn't going to be so kind. Frankly it's probably a good thing that the pit bulls in the press go after those wanting this office. It would just be nice if they could be intelligent and even-handed about it...
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Jason, you make your point much better when you make points... I honestly don't have the time or interest to research the other issues right now, so won't comment, other than to say he wouldn't be the first politician to wiggle around past positions (others are also running this year) but there was really nothing, nothing of political interest in the story on grammy.
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