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Rush of gun purchases associated with Obama election

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I first saw this story reported on WWBT Channel 12 (NBC) in my area. I went to look for it online, and saw this ... uh ... interesting spin on it. Facts are facts, but this story starts out very bizarre. It shouldn't surprise you that I found the AP story in a Minneapolis newspaper. I don't know if there are any other papers carrying it, given the obvious bias and stereotyping going on.

Gotta watch out for those Virginia rednecks you know. Between our guns and our religion, we-all is crazy! * :crazyeyes:

That aside, I have to tell you that the same thoughts ran through my own mind. Have I purchased everything I want to have before someone comes in and starts banning various weapons? When is my concealed carry permit up for renewal? It happened during the Clinton administration. (Assault rifle ban, size of magazine allowed, etc.)

And of course as a senator, Obama has voted to expose gun makers to lawsuits. Typical lawyer politician. With the bad economy he needs to find a job for all of those ambulance chasers, you know... :roll:

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All fired up: Gun owners rush to buy guns for fear Obama, Democrats will curb gun rights

By DENA POTTER , Associated Press

Last update: November 8, 2008 - 2:59 AM

MIDLOTHIAN, Va. - When 10-year-old Austin Smith heard Barack Obama had been elected president, he had one question: Does this mean I won't get a new gun for Christmas?

That brought his mother, the camouflage-clad Rachel Smith, to Bob Moates Sports Shop on Thursday, where she was picking out that special 20-gauge shotgun — one of at least five weapons she plans to buy before Obama takes office in January.

Like Smith, gun enthusiasts nationwide are stocking up on firearms out of fears that the combination of an Obama administration and a Democrat-dominated Congress will result in tough new gun laws.

"I think they're going to really try to crack down on guns and make it harder for people to try to purchase them," said Smith, 32, who taught all five of her children — ages 4 to 10 — to shoot because the family relies on game for food.

Last month, as an Obama win looked increasingly inevitable, there were more than 108,000 more background checks for gun purchases than in October 2007, a 15 percent increase. And they were up about 8 percent for the year as of Oct. 26, according to the FBI.

No data was available for gun purchases this week, but gun shops from suburban Virginia to the Rockies report record sales since Tuesday's election.

"They're scared to death of losing their rights," said David Hancock, manager of Bob Moates, where sales have nearly doubled in the past week and are up 15 percent for the year. On Election Day, salespeople were called in on their day off because of the crowd.

Obama has said he respects Americans' Second Amendment right to bear arms, but that he favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault and concealed weapons.

As a U.S. Senator, Obama voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to lawsuits; and as an Illinois state legislator, he supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on all firearms.

During an October appearance in Ohio, Obama sought to reassure gun owners. "I will not take your shotgun away," he said. "I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

Gun advocates take some solace in the current makeup of the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 this summer to strike down the District of Columbia's 32-year ban on handguns. For now, gun rights supporters hold a narrow edge on the court, but Obama could appoint justices who would swing it the other way.

Franklin Gun Shop outside Nashville, Tenn., sold more than 70 guns on Tuesday, making it the biggest sales day since the shop opened eight years ago. Guns & Gear in Cheyenne, Wyo., also set a one-day sales record on Tuesday, only to break that mark on Wednesday.

Stewart Wallin, owner of Get Some Guns in the Salt Lake City suburb of Murray, Utah, said he sold nine assault weapons the day after Obama was elected. That same day, the gun store Cheaper Than Dirt! in Fort Worth, Texas, sold $101,000 worth of merchandise, shattering its single-day sales record, store owner DeWayne Irwin said.

One Georgia gun shop advertised an "Obama sale" on an outdoor sign, but the owner took it down after people complained that the shop appeared to be issuing a call to violence against the country's first black leader.

The president of a Montana gun manufacturer stepped down last month after word that he supported Obama led to calls for a boycott of the company.

While Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, attributes some of the sales boom to the tanking economy, he thinks the Democratic sweep is the top reason why guns are suddenly a hot commodity.

"I don't think he'll be able to stand up to that anti-Second Amendment wing of the Democratic party that's just been spoiling for chance to ban America's guns," LaPierre said of Obama.

During the campaign, the NRA warned that Obama would be the "most antigun president in American history." And while Vice President-elect Joe Biden owns shotguns, he has supported a ban on assault weapons and has said private sellers at gun shows should be required to perform background checks.

But Mark Tushnet, a Harvard Law School professor who has written a book about the gun debate, said new firearms regulations will be a low priority for an Obama administration and Democratic Congress facing a global economic crisis and two wars.

"Maybe the gun-show loophole will be closed, but not much else," he said in an e-mail. "I'd be surprised, for example, if Congress enacted a new assault gun ban."

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said his organization will continue to press for what he calls "sensible" restrictions — background checks at gun shows, a ban on military-style assault weapons and cracking down on illegal gun trade. He believes he has the backing of the new administration on those issues, but any fears of a broader crackdown are unfounded.

"The one thing that they agree strongly with us on is that it's too easy for dangerous people to get guns in this country," Helmke said. "I guess if you're a dangerous person you might want to run out there and buy some more, but otherwise you should be OK."
- Startribune.com

* FWIW, Midlothian is south of the James River here. There is a bit of a cultural divide just in this microcosm. The river is to some extent like another Mason-Dixon line. "Outsiders" tend to move in north of the river. Property values reflect that, etc. A similar comparison would be like the difference between the north and south side of Chicago.
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If you were the editor, Bill, what would you have changed in the piece?
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IJ wrote:
If you were the editor, Bill, what would you have changed in the piece?
Starting the article off with a 10-year-old wondering if he was going to get his shotgun for Christmas because Obama was elected president? Give me an f-ing break. That was like Jimmy Carter (in his debate with Ronald Reagan) saying his daughter Amy was concerned with "nuclear proliferation." Heck... even Jimmy stumbled on the "p" word.

Aside from the total detachment from reality - designed to create a strawman against those southern redneck gun owners - the "gotcha" lead-off anecdote was so transparently a liberal anti-gun ploy that it nauseated me. Should I be surprised that when I surfed the 'net, that only a Minneapolis paper carried this AP article?

Throw the anecdote away and come up with a new one.

The article is otherwise relevant. The data are the data, and point to a very real fear from the pro-NRA crowd. They are like a quiet beast lurking in the background, waiting...

Furthermore every time there is talk of gun regulation, there is this identical run on gun purchases. If they want to stop the selling of assault rifles, they fly off the shelves faster than they can be made. Talk about the law of unintended consequences... That in and of itself is a key aspect to the story.

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Happy Saturday, Bill. Yeah, the anecdote is stupid. Reporters drool over stuff with kids. Mom must not have said something stupid enough to earn a quote, but, I would believe it happened.
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Bill

I was reading an interview with the guy that actually brough the now successful DC gun ban case before the Supreme Court.......a great read BTW.

Guy is a paid, armed security guard in his day job......and he made a couple of really good remarks.

(paraphrased quite a bit of it---going from memory--sorry)

"They trust me and pay me to carry a gun and protect them and their families and their propertybut they don't want to trust me with a gun to protect myself, my family and my property."

"If I was to hire an armed guard to protect my home and family that would be ok and legal---but I'm not rich enough to pay someone else to do it."
Forget #6, you are now serving nonsense.

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http://www.slate.com/id/2204592/pagenum/2

Slate can't be all bad huh? Critiques the media for the run on stories about the run on guns. Does say at one point that lot of new gun owners might be "potentially chilling" and makes a beginner's attempt at analysis by looking at applications over a long time frame and not trying to suggest that you can detect a trend by looking at a brief period of time.

There's a better way to do that, though--a run chart. You plug in the rate of applications per unit of time for the duration of the applications policy, use a program that tells you how the data are distributed, and which run chart you need to use, then the run chart tells you if you have noise or a true change. It only takes a few minutes--and instead of reading through dozens of articles about the day's, week's, month's progress in the stock market, instead of some purported increase or decrease in smoking rates or SUV sales or teen pregnancy, you get actual info.
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Ian

Classic time series analysis does it better. FWIW it's one of a number of mathematical disciplines I was trained in during grad school.

A few years back I had the great fortune of being trained in SAS/ETS by David A. Dickey. Great guy! We did a few practical example problems just like this one during our 3-day training program.

But your point is well taken.

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What to make of this?

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Van, I have to think there's a reason he hasn't furnished this information. And if the press were to come up with it, and he wasn't born in this country? God help us, because if he wouldn't step down, it could get ugly. Really ugly, really fast.
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Yeah, Jason, it could...and the economy would go into nose dive. :(
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It makes sense.
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For what it's worth, this is Alan Keyes.

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He is a conservative Republican who has run for the party's nomination a few times.

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Another "out there" politician who will never get a whiff of the White House. He even got his butt whipped by Obama in the Illinois Senate race.

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