People STILL argue about obama's faith?

[AAAhmed46]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestof ... r.sign.cnn

Don't have to love the man to realize he's christian.

Doesn't change the fact that i think he isn't the savior everyone thinks he is, but thats unrelated i guess.

What, people still argue this?

Surprised by the billy graham quote. Though i shouldn't be, considering what ive heard between the differences between Billy and Franklin's style of preaching. Well it seemed different to me atleast.





Oh this is funny as hell, reverse racism. Hahaha. Wow, if you think the first video was funny, this will make you crap yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA8z39Z8PJY

[Bill Glasheen]

For some folks... if they don't like a politician, they'll say anything.

Obama's dad was Muslim. That is what it is. The Muslim thing means nothing to me. Christian? Muslim? Atheist? Mormon? Evangelical? Practicing witch? What-ever...

With his stated desire to engage in wealth redistribution, he's a socialist in my book. I'll vote for a dog over a socialist any day.

But that's me...

- Bill

[AAAhmed46]

For some folks... if they don't like a politician, they'll say anything.

Obama's dad was Muslim. That is what it is. The Muslim thing means nothing to me. Christian? Muslim? Atheist? Mormon? Evangelical? Practicing witch? What-ever...

With his stated desire to engage in wealth redistribution, he's a socialist in my book. I'll vote for a dog over a socialist any day.

But that's me...

- Bill

His dad was actually an athiest. He used to be muslim, then became an athiest.

Man, he isn't even close to being socialist. NDP party in canada....now that is socialist.

EDIT: I wish ron paul got a decent run at....well running.

[IJ]

I heard that Obama referred to redistribution in the context of school taxes for a state, meaning, rich neighborhoods wouldn't be sending their kids to school with a robot and imac while poor neighborhoods had broken plumbing. Not true?

Regardless, anyone who taxes the rich relatively more than the poor is redistributing wealth, so I would worry less about the name, than the policy. Obama wants to raise the >250k bracket from 36 to 39%. McCain wanted to tax everyone's healthcare bennies. Since bennies are just part of compensation, I don't think that's a fatal sin, but c'mon, taxes are taxes.

[MikeK]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15902.html

[Bill Glasheen]

I heard that Obama referred to redistribution in the context of school taxes for a state, meaning, rich neighborhoods wouldn't be sending their kids to school with a robot and imac while poor neighborhoods had broken plumbing.

I live in a "nice" area west of Richmond. And I have been going through plumbers like dirty laundry trying to find one who can fix the situation right around where my in-house main cutoff is. And this is a relatively new home. The guy who installed my irrigation system went out of business, the guy who was fixing his mess kept coming in (after a week wait) and saying "well I don't have on my truck what it takes to fix the problem right today", etc., etc. Oh and I just fired that plumber.

Instead of spending more money on bad plumbing, I say train better plumbers. As soon as you do, please send one of them over to my home. I will pay him/her double to do the job right the first time around.

But seriously...

There are minimum code standards that should be met. Period. End of story. Beyond that, you will never, ever stop the families who care and have their priorities straight moving to areas where like-minded parents are buying homes. Socialistic policies bring everyone down to the same lowest level. Capitalistic ideology creates opportunities for people with the drive to take advantage of them. Time and again, societies which tend towards the latter paradigm end up competing better in a global economy. There will be disparities, but then that's what drives the driven to achieve.

Safety nets? Absolutely. Guarantees? That's not in my book. Without the potential of a little pain in life, half of society would never get out of bed. That's why our bodies were designed to hurt when we don't feed them or we run our heads into a wall. Circumventing pain in life is like putting someone on an addictive pain-killing drug. The end result is rarely pretty.

- Bill

[IJ]

I'm not advocating for kids to be educated on plush waterbeds, Bill--you know me....

What standard should be met is always debatable... just as with the tax story, we are only talking about the area over which school spending is standardized. Is it really socialist to say school spending should be standardized over a state level, as compared to a county level, city level, or that each family is on their own to spend their money how they see fit?

What I am hearing as fundamentally different between the socialist and the capitalist is not some clear threshold as for what is the appropriate tax rate or area over which school spending is standardized, but their approach to government--does it have the power for good or does it make things worse? But the real tool is the specific policy in question.

I can imagine a situation in which a McCain could have taken office with the tax rate at 43% and proposed lowering it to 39% and being hailed as a true conservative, even if that's what rate Obama is suggesting. The same applies to whether spending is evened out in a state, county, city, or district.

I'd have to hear specifically what policy Obama wanted to know if I agreed. I do know the San Diego schools aren't what the Del Mar and La Jolla etc schools are... we bought our house from a couple fleeing to Solana beach for better public schools and other friends are enrolling kids in expensive preschool to ensure acceptance in the same group's prestigious elementary etc school. If we got a kid we'd probably do one of the same. Or maybe one of us would be able to stay home more and tutor. I'm caught between my interests in fairness and the knowledge I did fine in public school, and doing the best for my own / not wanting to finance everyone else's problems.

Brilliant solutions welcome!