BREAKING NEWS: Terrorists kill 80+ westerners and bomb hotels in Mumbai
##### storming into hotels + railway stations with AK 47's and hand grenades
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7751160.stm
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/T...ow/3761410.cms
This is happening right now live.
Cliffs:
- Terrorists storm hotels, train stations with AK's and grenades.
- Ask for passports and shoot americans and britons.
- Take 20 hostages, European Parliament.
- Indian Army + Police swarm hotels and kill a bunch of terrorists.
- 80+ confirmed American + British dead
- Reports that the Terrorists blew themselves and the hostages up.
If Pakistan and India go to war, we're all #####.
80+confirmed american and british dead in hotel attack...
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Bill Glasheen
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I've been tracking this for the last hour or two, Adam. I just watched NBC Nightly News (6:30 PM EST) and saw both films and an on-the-scene report.
My first impression is that India is not messing around. They've got military surrounding the hotels where hostages were taken. There will unfortunately be a loss of life, but future would-be terrorists are getting the message that India will not let such attacks succeed if at all possible.
My second impression is that it is a well-coordinated and broadly applied attack, and yet it is being executed by very young boys with a minimal amount of equipment and means. In a way, it's a bit like their own 9/11 attack. Handfuls of thugs are going around with AK-47s and explosives looking for Americans and Brits to take hostage. It didn't take much to create chaos. Just a bunch of brainwashed idiots.
My third impression? It's an early welcome to Mr. Obama. If he thinks he can sweet talk the world into singing Kumbaya, al qaeda et al have a rude awakening in store for him. They have already in fact sent out a major anti-Obama message on the internet - complete with racial slurs.
And my thoughts on all this? I could have told any in this upcoming administration that it would be coming. You cannot appease this brand of inhumanity.
What change?
Time to call Orkin.
I have no problem whatsoever dehumanizing these vermin.
- Bill
My first impression is that India is not messing around. They've got military surrounding the hotels where hostages were taken. There will unfortunately be a loss of life, but future would-be terrorists are getting the message that India will not let such attacks succeed if at all possible.
My second impression is that it is a well-coordinated and broadly applied attack, and yet it is being executed by very young boys with a minimal amount of equipment and means. In a way, it's a bit like their own 9/11 attack. Handfuls of thugs are going around with AK-47s and explosives looking for Americans and Brits to take hostage. It didn't take much to create chaos. Just a bunch of brainwashed idiots.
My third impression? It's an early welcome to Mr. Obama. If he thinks he can sweet talk the world into singing Kumbaya, al qaeda et al have a rude awakening in store for him. They have already in fact sent out a major anti-Obama message on the internet - complete with racial slurs.
And my thoughts on all this? I could have told any in this upcoming administration that it would be coming. You cannot appease this brand of inhumanity.
What change?
Time to call Orkin.
I have no problem whatsoever dehumanizing these vermin.
- Bill
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People are stupid.
And Naders comments on Obama were not inaccurate. It's the same thing with a black face.
The progressive movement thinks that the democrats are angelic. THey arn't.
There was so much retarded optimism in the muslim world when he was elected.
I felt like the only guy asking 'why?'
Right now, this is bush's problem...but what is obama gonna do with the aftermath?
I don't think it's india's 9/11.
Unlike america, india has seen harsh bombings before.
Just a few days ago, i found this:
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India's Hindu Terrorists
25/11/2008 06:00:46 PM GMT Comments (0) Add a comment Print E-mail to friend
CAIRO — The arrest of India's first Hindu terrorist cell over a series of bombing attacks initially blamed on Muslims is angering the Hindu majority (more)
CAIRO — The arrest of India's first Hindu terrorist cell over a series of bombing attacks initially blamed on Muslims is angering the Hindu majority in the Asian giant. "You cannot call it Hindu terrorism," Ram Madhav, a spokesman for Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the umbrella group for India's Hindu activists, told the Washington Post on Monday, November 24.
Ten Hindu extremists, including a self-styled female saint and an army officer, have been arrested over a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims.
Police are linking them to blasts that rocked the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon in the western state of Maharashtra in September, claiming the lives of six people.
The group is also suspected of having links to previous attacks, including last year's notorious bombing of a cross-border train en route to Pakistan, which killed 68 people.
Most of the arrestees have been associated with a radical Hindu group called Abhinav Bharat, or "New India".
Himani Savarkar, the group's president, claimed the case was fabricated to appease Muslims ahead of the state elections.
"It is a great balancing act by the Congress government. To appease the Muslims, they are now arresting Hindus for terrorism," he argued, insisting the arrested group had been working to "rouse Hindus out of their slumber".
"But even if they have done anything, I would say it is a reaction, not an action," said Savarkar, who set up a legal aid fund to help the arrestees. Misar, the public prosecutor, refuted claims that the case was politically-motivated.
"We have evidence against all the accused for their respective roles in instigation, abetment, providing explosives and funding," he said citing mobile phone call records, bank statements, diaries and laptop data.
"All the evidence will be scrutinized by court, not by political pressure or public opinion."
India's military, which prides itself on its professionalism, has been forced to order an embarrassing inquiry.
Defiant
Savarkar, the president of the Abhinav Bharat, stressed Hindus would not stand hand-folded.
"We cannot keep showing the other cheek. The Hindus are fed up," he said.
Whenever the accused appear before the judge, hundreds of Hindu activists would storm the courthouse chanting "We are with you" waving orange flags and showering marigold petals on the vehicles carrying the prisoners.
Hundreds of orange-robed self-styled Hindu saints are also planning to march in the coming days to New Delhi to launch a "Hindu mobilization drive."
The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is running campaign ads on TV accusing the government of smearing the names of soldiers who sacrifice their lives for the nation.
The political wrangling over the Hindu extremists' arrest reopened the old wounds of many Muslims.
"We have always known that Hindu extremists were behind the blast, but we never thought the government would have the courage to arrest Hindus," said Ejaz Ahmad, a 32-year-old shop owner.
"The suspicion is always on Muslims. Now we feel there is justice."
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Considering the fact that they DELIBERATELY targeted british and americans, this is probably unrelated.
I post it to show, buildings blowing up are a bit more common place.
9/11for india happened many times.
Now if 100 hindu's were killed, then it would be more accurate to say it's similar to 9/11.
Though im sure we'll be talking about this for months to come.
And Naders comments on Obama were not inaccurate. It's the same thing with a black face.
The progressive movement thinks that the democrats are angelic. THey arn't.
There was so much retarded optimism in the muslim world when he was elected.
I felt like the only guy asking 'why?'
Right now, this is bush's problem...but what is obama gonna do with the aftermath?
I don't think it's india's 9/11.
Unlike america, india has seen harsh bombings before.
Just a few days ago, i found this:
.................................................................................
India's Hindu Terrorists
25/11/2008 06:00:46 PM GMT Comments (0) Add a comment Print E-mail to friend
CAIRO — The arrest of India's first Hindu terrorist cell over a series of bombing attacks initially blamed on Muslims is angering the Hindu majority (more)
CAIRO — The arrest of India's first Hindu terrorist cell over a series of bombing attacks initially blamed on Muslims is angering the Hindu majority in the Asian giant. "You cannot call it Hindu terrorism," Ram Madhav, a spokesman for Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the umbrella group for India's Hindu activists, told the Washington Post on Monday, November 24.
Ten Hindu extremists, including a self-styled female saint and an army officer, have been arrested over a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims.
Police are linking them to blasts that rocked the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon in the western state of Maharashtra in September, claiming the lives of six people.
The group is also suspected of having links to previous attacks, including last year's notorious bombing of a cross-border train en route to Pakistan, which killed 68 people.
Most of the arrestees have been associated with a radical Hindu group called Abhinav Bharat, or "New India".
Himani Savarkar, the group's president, claimed the case was fabricated to appease Muslims ahead of the state elections.
"It is a great balancing act by the Congress government. To appease the Muslims, they are now arresting Hindus for terrorism," he argued, insisting the arrested group had been working to "rouse Hindus out of their slumber".
"But even if they have done anything, I would say it is a reaction, not an action," said Savarkar, who set up a legal aid fund to help the arrestees. Misar, the public prosecutor, refuted claims that the case was politically-motivated.
"We have evidence against all the accused for their respective roles in instigation, abetment, providing explosives and funding," he said citing mobile phone call records, bank statements, diaries and laptop data.
"All the evidence will be scrutinized by court, not by political pressure or public opinion."
India's military, which prides itself on its professionalism, has been forced to order an embarrassing inquiry.
Defiant
Savarkar, the president of the Abhinav Bharat, stressed Hindus would not stand hand-folded.
"We cannot keep showing the other cheek. The Hindus are fed up," he said.
Whenever the accused appear before the judge, hundreds of Hindu activists would storm the courthouse chanting "We are with you" waving orange flags and showering marigold petals on the vehicles carrying the prisoners.
Hundreds of orange-robed self-styled Hindu saints are also planning to march in the coming days to New Delhi to launch a "Hindu mobilization drive."
The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is running campaign ads on TV accusing the government of smearing the names of soldiers who sacrifice their lives for the nation.
The political wrangling over the Hindu extremists' arrest reopened the old wounds of many Muslims.
"We have always known that Hindu extremists were behind the blast, but we never thought the government would have the courage to arrest Hindus," said Ejaz Ahmad, a 32-year-old shop owner.
"The suspicion is always on Muslims. Now we feel there is justice."
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Considering the fact that they DELIBERATELY targeted british and americans, this is probably unrelated.
I post it to show, buildings blowing up are a bit more common place.
9/11for india happened many times.
Now if 100 hindu's were killed, then it would be more accurate to say it's similar to 9/11.
Though im sure we'll be talking about this for months to come.
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I predict that there will be little change. You cannot negotiate with a group whose sole purpose is to seek the demise of your civilization. You can only coordinate what must be done. There are few shortcuts.AAAhmed46 wrote:
Right now, this is bush's problem...but what is obama gonna do with the aftermath?
And it won't go away any time soon.
- Bill
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I think reliance of oil in general.Bill Glasheen wrote:If there is one good thing that ANY president could do, it would be removing our addiction to Middle East oil. We need to stop throwing money over to that part of the world.
Good luck. I don't see Americans wanting to make the sacrifices required.
If I was czar....
- Bill
But why stop trading with the middle east? Why not make them love the west instead?
there is a book called American Raj: Liberation of domination by Eric Margolis.
If you look at how terrorism recruitment is done, they tend to talk about injustices done to the muslim world(how accurate they are with their facts is irrelevant, since they arn't exactly trying to be scholarly) Recuitment is often done this way. The causes of terrorism are deeply political, geographical, nationalistic, and yes religious/ideological. with use of alot of religious language due to religious integration in the overall culture. For instance, Arab Idol(or something like that) is an arabian version of arabian idol. When sending text messages to vote, some of teh statements are like "THE SWORD OF ALLAH SUPPORTS FATIMAH!! or "IN THE NAME OF GOD, FATIMAH MUST WIN!!!"(i don't think her name was fatimah, but i don't remember the girls name, just making it up) Now they are talking about voting for Arab idol, not killing or politics.
So, if they are proven wrong, if somehow it is shown that the west is a friend, there is a major wrench thrown into terrorist recruitment.
India is fascinating, they deal with terrorism on two fronts. On is related to kashmir and is more about land(similar to isreal/palistine) and the other is Salafi al-queerda style terrorism.
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With them wanting American and British hostages, this latest attack needs to be considered as something fairly broad and global. But who knows?AAAhmed46 wrote:
India is fascinating, they deal with terrorism on two fronts. On is related to kashmir and is more about land(similar to isreal/palistine) and the other is Salafi al-queerda style terrorism.
It has similarities to America's 9/11 in that they attacked India's financial district. They wanted to put a hurt on the government's commerce.
- Bill
I agree. The Indian populace is pretty much used to this kind of thing. The real shock is probably to us here in north America and Europe.Bill Glasheen wrote:With them wanting American and British hostages, this latest attack needs to be considered as something fairly broad and global. But who knows?AAAhmed46 wrote:
India is fascinating, they deal with terrorism on two fronts. On is related to kashmir and is more about land(similar to isreal/palistine) and the other is Salafi al-queerda style terrorism.
- Bill
Here was my point of the post:
Force the middle east to see what terrorists really are, kill their popularity. Make recruitment grossly difficult for them.
There are enough muslims in the u.s. military to let them have an 'all muslim' group running around in iraq.
Why not?
It will prove that their identity is not threatened, a major ideological blow will be dealt against Islamists.
http://www.muslimmilitarymembers.org/
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