Bishop Williamson denies the Holocaust

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"Regardless, I have no way to confirm or disprove the number (of all ethnicities) killed in the Holocaust, and really am not interested in extended debates about estimates. Knowing the exact number, even if less than common estimates, in no way diminishes the atrocities committed by the Germans. The German and other evidence for atrocities, occuring both in and out of concentration camps, exists. The "Final Solution" was well documented by the Germans themselves. Their stated goal was ethnic cleansing. "
I think that the numbers are relevant look at this from the same website
Why doesn't the film industry or news media produce documentaries about the numerous true holocausts of Gentiles during this century such as:

The Soviet Holocaust of Christian Russian Kulak farmers. (1924 - 1930) - 15 million exterminated!

The Holocaust of the Ukranian farmers, (1930- 1933) - 7 million starved to death.

The Holocaust of Russian political prisoners, (1919 - 1949) - 12 million perished.

The Pol Pot Communist Holocaust in Cambodia (1975) - 2.5 million slaughtered.

Armenian Holocaust by the Turks, (1915) - 1.5 million people killed.

Bear in mind that the Jews are the only racial group with an organization like the World Jewish congress which wields fearsome power


somehow we never hear of these :roll:
and from the same link
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This story was not believable. It was then changed to allege that trucks were backed up to the "death chambers" and carbon monoxide gas was pumped into the rooms. This claim too was "forgotten" and the Soviets then charged that the Germans changed the "steam chambers" into "gas chambers."

The Soviets came up with a novel idea of how the Jews were exterminated at the Belzec camp. "The Jews were ordered to undress as though to take a bath. They were led in fact into a building that could hold hundreds of people. The water was filled up to their necks. Then a powerful electric current was sent into the metal flooring and within a few seconds all the Jews, thousands at a time, were dead."

Soviet prosecutor L.N. Smirnov actually read this accusation into the record at the December 19, 1945, session of the Nuremberg trial. This story finally evolved to execution by "Zyklon B" gas. This was a widely used pesticide to kill lice which was the biggest health threat in the camps. Had the Germans actually wanted to perform mass exterminations, they had products one-thousand times more deadly such as Sarin and Tabun nerve gas!

Austrian Engineer Walter Luftl issued a report in March 1992, in which he found that, "Zyklon B is utterly unsuited for the purposes of systematic mass murder."

Fred Leuchter, America's foremost expert on executions, took a team of investigators to Auschwitz in 1988 and reported: "I traveled to Poland to investigate the alleged execution gas chamber facilities at the three concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek. My forensic analysis and subsequent report proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that there were no gas execution facilities operated by the Nazis at these sites."
and our basis for the figure of 6 million
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Immediately after World War II, Allied authorities declared that "Jews had been gassed" in all German concentration camps. It later discovered that the many bodies photographed in the camps died during the waning days of the war - from typhus, cold and starvation. Simon Wiesenthal, of the "Holocaust Center" in Los Angeles, stated in Books and Bookmen, April 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The Jew L.P. Beria headed the Soviet NKVD secret police from 1938 to 1953. In 1945, he announced that they had discovered a "holocaust" of six million Jews. This conveniently occurred only in camps in Poland! Beria would not allow any outside investigators to examine these sites. The Jewish-owned New York Times reported in 1945 that Soviet Russia supplied the figure of four million Jews having been put to death, "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." However, in July of 1990, the Polish government reduced this figure to 1.1 million and it was accepted by Jewish groups. Despite this evidence, the "official figure" of six million dead was not lowered to three million!

(It should also be noted that Elizabeth Dole, president of the American Red Cross, and wife of former Sen. Bob Dole, revealed that the official death records from Auschwitz had been uncovered in the Soviet Archives. It listed 70,000 deaths from all causes.)
and as to the final solution
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The Nuremberg War Crimes Trial heard testimony from Hans Lammers as to what he considered the "Final Solution of The Jewish Problem." Lammers was Chief of the Reich Chancellery and personally close to Himmler and Hitler. Lammers said he asked Himmler what was the "final solution." Himmler replied: "The Jews must be evacuated from Germany!" He said that Hitler told him the same thing. In other words, "The Final Solution" was --emigration! When asked, "when did you first learn that five million Jews had been exterminated," Lammers replied that it was "here" at the Nuremberg trials! Herman Goring also told the court that the first time he had heard anything about a holocaust was, "right here at Nuremberg!" You may remember quite recently that some documents came to light were the Germans had asked the Americans to take the jews into the US the US refused..so the idea of foeced emmigration isn't that hard to buy

Now I have no idea how true all of this is...but it is a bit much being sentenced to 5 years imprisonment just for asking :P
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jorvik wrote: ...but it is a bit much being sentenced to 5 years imprisonment just for asking
On this we agree, although maybe we have all the info on what led to the sentencing and maybe we don't. As the article said, the judge appeared to be trying to send a message with that sentence.
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Here is another example of Selective censorship that the English Stazi/labour party are imposing :x
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7885918.stm

A dutch MP has been refused entry into the UK because he might stir "Racial hatred"....................

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The MP was invited to the House of Lords by the UK Independence Party's Lord Pearson.

The peer said he disagreed with Mr Wilders' call to ban the Koran, but accused the Home Office of "appeasing violent Islam".

"We're coming to this from the angle of freedom of speech," he said. "This man must be allowed to say what he wants, he must answer questions and then everyone can make up their minds.

"I think this man is raising one of the most important issues of our time. I think it should be discussed more, particularly by the vast majority of the mild Muslim community. They should talk about what the Koran really means.

"These people are using verses in one of the great religious tracts in history to blow up innocent people. That's what we want to talk about... whether these acts of violence can be rooted in the Koran."
Now for what it worth I don't think that the Koran should be banned, but by the same token I don't believe that people should be stopped from talking about it

Especially when you have the likes of Abu Hanza ( an egyptian resident in the UK) talking about killing US and UK troops.....I think he has now been deported to the US to face criminal proceedings.but none the less he was allowed to say as he felt like :evil:
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On the case of the Dutch guy turned around at Heathrow... All of Europe seems to be facing a hefty influx of Muslims. As we've already seen with the cartoonists of recent years, criticizing anything 'Islam' or even putting a new face on something can lead to riots, mayhem, and death.Yes, it smacks of political correctness, thought police, etc, etc to stop this guy from speaking in the UK... but if you were the guy who had to pay for the police, and deal with the aftermath... what would you decide?

I hope the US can stave off that slippery slope of speech imfringement for a good while longer.
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I really liked pope john Paul.
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"but if you were the guy who had to pay for the police, and deal with the aftermath... what would you decide? "

I am that guy :cry: ( the British taxpayer :x )...the folks protesting would be illegal muslim immigrants mostly...personnally I would have the army there , fully armed and with fixed bayonets ready to deport any rioters
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Here is the film that they banned the Dutch MP from talking about :evil:

http://www.themoviefitna.com/fitna-the-movie/

also check out this guys blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOoLskOX ... annel_page
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