Hijabi stabbed cause of angry german who hates foreigners.

[AAAhmed46]

Wow, depressing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvOLp0ruyA


Here are more details, compilations by news reports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marwa_El-Sherbini


Pretty screwed up. Didn't see it on CNN or FOX or PBS. Why not?

[Bill Glasheen]

This is very sad, Adam.

First of all, this isn't unlike the stabbing of Monica Seles in Hamburg, Germany - right when she was ranked number 1 and Steffi Graph number 2. Monica was never the same after that. The attacker was found to be mentally incompetent, and sentenced to 2 years probation. From the outside looking in, appearances aren't good.

This attacker similarly appears to be 2 cards short of a full deck. And while a beautiful family was destroyed, the attacker's rights are being protected and privacy preserved. It can be maddening.

I can't tell you why American media didn't pick up on this, Adam. But then I don't watch television news. The bias just ticks me off. So all I can say is that I'm not surprised. The truth is that there are so many atrocities every day. What gets covered is a matter of what matters to the editors of the particular media outlet.

So why wasn't a big deal made of this in Germany? From what I know having visited there and having once had a German girlfriend, most Germans are good people. There are elements of xenophobia and sociopathic behavior in every society. Those in Germany come with an unpleasant history that today's generation would rather not be reminded of. Not making a big deal of the incident could be viewed as tacit approval of the behavior if you want to think that. Or maybe it's a matter of public embarrassment and shame.

Watching German vs. U.S. television is very telling. In the U.S., violence is everywhere and nudity shunned. In Germany it's just the opposite. They don't watch violence, they don't ruminate over it, and they don't approve of it. The lack of security in the hearing is very German. They expect their citizens to behave, and for the most part they do.

- Bill

[AAAhmed46]

This is very sad, Adam.

First of all, this isn't unlike the stabbing of Monica Seles in Hamburg, Germany - right when she was ranked number 1 and Steffi Graph number 2. Monica was never the same after that. The attacker was found to be mentally incompetent, and sentenced to 2 years probation. From the outside looking in, appearances aren't good.

This attacker similarly appears to be 2 cards short of a full deck. And while a beautiful family was destroyed, the attacker's rights are being protected and privacy preserved. It can be maddening.

I can't tell you why American media didn't pick up on this, Adam. But then I don't watch television news. The bias just ticks me off. So all I can say is that I'm not surprised. The truth is that there are so many atrocities every day. What gets covered is a matter of what matters to the editors of the particular media outlet.

So why wasn't a big deal made of this in Germany? From what I know having visited there and having once had a German girlfriend, most Germans are good people. There are elements of xenophobia and sociopathic behavior in every society. Those in Germany come with an unpleasant history that today's generation would rather not be reminded of. Not making a big deal of the incident could be viewed as tacit approval of the behavior if you want to think that. Or maybe it's a matter of public embarrassment and shame.

Watching German vs. U.S. television is very telling. In the U.S., violence is everywhere and nudity shunned. In Germany it's just the opposite. They don't watch violence, they don't ruminate over it, and they don't approve of it. The lack of security in the hearing is very German. They expect their citizens to behave, and for the most part they do.

- Bill

I agree, germany has becoming very socially accepting, hell it's hard to believe that sixty years ago they used to be the home of the nazi party considering their current attitudes.

My beef is this strange trend in the European left of xenophobia, spilling into many hate sites, things that in north America usually is attributed to the fundamentalist right. No longer can we place xenophobia as a creature of the right, should not have previously, if anything, it's now more of a 'human' problem then a political one.

[mhosea]

The lack of security in the hearing is very German.

German or not, the result speaks for itself. Personally, I don't care if this guy is mentally ill. On some level, all serial killers, rapists, and pedophiles are mentally ill. We're very sorry your brain isn't working right, and we sincerely wish you'd sought treatment for it before, but you murdered a pregnant woman by violently stabbing her 18 times in open court, so your mental problems don't really matter anymore.

[Bill Glasheen]

Adam

The Nazi party was a German Socialist party. Folks argue about whether it (Nazi-ism) is the right or the left. But socialism is most definitely a leftist movement.

As for Germans being Germans... It is in their culture to "do as you are told." The problem with the rise of The Third Reich was that it (the party) took advantage of a culture that largely was obedient to authority. That can be good - until authority needs to be questioned. Then it's not so good.

Germans are good people. Just don't put a crazy man as head of state.

As for xenophobia, well... There's nationalism throughout Europe. Ethnic conflicts outside Germany were the start of World War I.

Xenophobics in Germany thankfully are in the minority. These days they are embracing immigration more than most European countries. But it will take time for the dust to settle.

We've had our own problems in the U.S. - the melting pot king of the world.

- Bill

[AAAhmed46]

Personally, i blame Vlaams Belang, Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer and anyone else willing to ally themselves with fascists.

Some of the xenophobia is based on legitimate criticisms, but some of it is retarded, like the french trying to ban the burqini. I mean it looks really stupid, but damn, it's nothing like a burqa, it looks like 1950's bathing suits.

Im surprised not only at the lack of security in the court room, but also how they mistook the husband for the attacker. Then again, maybe they reacted with their guns and just aimed wrong.

This guy was not really a result of german culture, he was the result of all the books and websites he visited, atleast according to the wikipedia and news entries.


Thats not to say we should not protect the culture:

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=262

Anti-Semitism, too, has grown rapidly in the last three years in Europe. The same Pew survey reports that negative views of Jews are now held by more than a third of the population in Germany and France and by by almost half in Spain.

Some commentators have tried to link the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe to a growing Muslim population there. But in Hungary, where there is hardly any Muslim presence, anti-Semitism is both more rabid and crude than anywhere else in Europe.

There are many consequences for Muslims as a result of the growing Islamophobia, all of them impinging on the quality of the rights they enjoy. New laws that are being instituted or considered as a consequence of Islamophobia are undermining the liberal democratic culture of Europe and making Muslims second-class citizens.

Oh we have our problems, but honestly, there is a strange stereotype that somehow north America is more racist then europe, i honestly think that is wrong.

[Jason Rees]

Oh we have our problems, but honestly, there is a strange stereotype that somehow north America is more racist then europe, i honestly think that is wrong.

Western Europe has always had a snobbish belief that their Luddite offspring across the sea are somehow inferior to their time-honored traditions and fine sensibilities. If we smash convention, they whine about it; if they riot, we're behind the times; if they have racism, it's assumed ours is worse.

[Bill Glasheen]

Im surprised not only at the lack of security in the court room, but also how they mistook the husband for the attacker. Then again, maybe they reacted with their guns and just aimed wrong.

It happens all the time. I believe they call it the fog of war.

If you are summoned into a room to restore order, there won't be signs on the back of people saying things like "I am the good guy!" and "Shoot ME!" You just see arms flailing and a woman with knife holes in her. Sheet happens.

- Bill