ryoute -an interesting viewpoint on Sanchin

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:33 pm

Bill Glasheen wrote:
Van Canna wrote:
But keep in mind that only because we train under an excellent teacher it does not mean we will be automatically touched by a magic wand that makes us great street fighters.
But... but... My teacher was {insert martial god} so I *must* be good!!!

- Bill

Yeah...my sifu killed a tiger...so I can kill an elephant with a tiger on top...

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:34 pm

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"But keep in mind that only because we train under an excellent teacher it does not mean we will be automatically touched by a magic wand that makes us great street fighters.

I never thought it would...........he can show me skills that I wish to learn, to develope myself, that is all I ask

.........there are a lot of teachers who can teach me nothing

.so I would be happy to find someone who could teach me something.
happily I have found one who can teach me a great deal.........and this is not something uncommon.In China people would search for a master for years and reject many as "unworthy" this is what I have done .and many others before me

.......it opens other doors also...now I know that there are real skills to learn..........maybe I can learn spiritual things as well

I don't want to be a streetfighter..I can do that well enough

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:36 pm

Bill Glasheen wrote:Speaking of dropping names... Seems to me that books have been written about posturing and the (un)willingness to engage in mortal combat. And operant conditioning... and PTSD after the fact...

- Bill

Amen, Bill...but this is not so easily grasped...hence we can continue to be entertained by the polindromic fantasies.

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:40 pm

jorvik wrote:Quote
"But keep in mind that only because we train under an excellent teacher it does not mean we will be automatically touched by a magic wand that makes us great street fighters.

I never thought it would...........he can show me skills that I wish to learn, to develope myself, that is all I ask .........there are a lot of teachers who can teach me nothing .so I would be happy to find someone who could teach me something.
happily I have found one who can teach me a great deal.........and this is not something uncommon.In China people would search for a master for years and reject many as "unworthy" this is what I have done .and many others before me .......it opens other doors also...now I know that there are real skills to learn..........maybe I can learn spiritual things as well

I don't want to be a streetfighter..I can do that well enough

You mean like someone as Kanbun Uechi who went to China and eventually chose Shushiwa learning in the Shaolin temple?

OK..now I get it.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:45 pm

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"You mean like someone as Kanbun Uechi who went to China and eventually chose Shushiwa learning in the Shaolin temple? "

Yeah, exactly right

.....didn't compromise, or put up with fools and fkwits
..a man to be admired

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:47 pm

I don't want to be a streetfighter..I can do that well enough

Right on...we are all 'street fighters'

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:52 pm

jorvik wrote:Quote
"You mean like someone as Kanbun Uechi who went to China and eventually chose Shushiwa learning in the Shaolin temple? "

Yeah, exactly right .....didn't compromise, or put up with fools and fkwits
..a man to be admired

I understand how you feel about fools and fkwits...I share your contempt for those bags of old piss...but learning a martial art, and maybe becoming 'spiritual' is precisely developing the skills to not let those fools and fkwits control you and put you behind bars, unless there is a real reason for taking that chance.

We are all street-fighters

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:56 pm

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Right on...we are all 'street fighters'
Not really Van

.....you have to engage in a few streetfights to call yourself one of those...............actually only one really.personnally I've had several

...but that's life..................I reckon there are a few folks here who are no stranger to these type of things but don't do too well at internet discourse,.I always rated Max and TSD guy as no strangers.....myself I haven't had a scrap in a long while.last came close a year or so back ..................thought about my pension and losing it

.wasn't worth the hassle

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:58 pm

Threat-detection is a science... it makes sense that an Armed Citizen should work hard to perfect this aspect of his or her awareness edge.

Think of it like this:

A few hours of studying's prevention is worth $400,000 in legal-fees cure.

The real skills not many sifus teach.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:09 pm

Well as they say
"In theory, practise and theory are the same, in practise they are not

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:42 pm

jorvik wrote:Quote
Right on...we are all 'street fighters'
Not really Van .....you have to engage in a few streetfights to call yourself one of those...............actually only one really.personnally I've had several ...but that's life..................I reckon there are a few folks here who are no stranger to these type of things but don't do too well at internet discourse,.I always rated Max and TSD guy as no strangers.....myself I haven't had a scrap in a long while.last came close a year or so back ..................thought about my pension and losing it .wasn't worth the hassle

My policy has always been not to discuss on an open forum any such personal experiences or to even admit having had any.

Such information is subject to subpoena by any prosecutors...should something real nasty happen.

The reason behind my 'We're all street fighters' axiom[A principle that is accepted as true without proof as the basis for argument; a postulate.]

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:56 pm

Threat-detection is a science... it makes sense that an Armed Citizen should work hard to perfect this aspect of his or her awareness edge.

Think of it like this:

A few hours of studying's prevention is worth $400,000 in legal-fees cure.

What I mean is, we all will come out FAR ahead if we master the science of READING PEOPLE.

If you can learn the methods that Josh Pellicer (did I mention this guy was on Good Morning America?) teaches in our latest How to Recognize and Respond to a Potential Threat package, you will have two HUGE advantages.

a) You will be able to tell if someone is considering an attack, or is about to attack you... and prepare appropriately. (This will be MUCH faster than waiting until they are on top of you before you react... which usually what happens).

b) You will be able to diffuse potentially threatening situations, by recognizing WHY someone is becoming threatening, and 'positioning' yourself to become invisible on their 'threat radar'.

It's very remarkable how well this works, and unlike a lot of keyboard-commandos these days, Josh (who lives in New York City) puts this stuff to test regularly. Everything he talks about is a proven technique.

Amen to that. Carrying a concealed pistol on me when out and about...has provided me with much 'restraint' not to take on some jerk at the slightest provocation, and not to act and talk like some street buffon trying to be 'mucho macho' _

But in the 'gravest extreme' the only time I would consider placing a hand on the butt of the gun....I would have to be prepared for the ugliest of consequences.

Reason why I mostly let the jerks slide away, should I attract some...which I usually don't.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:10 am

that's a question of geography.in my country we don't have the luxury of carrying a gun..most handguns are illegal...similarly if we pull a knife on somebody we are not covered by law...................it doesn't matter how threatened we feel

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Sooooooo , in my country we use other things,. our language and body language is more threatening, our streetfighting skills are a little more honed..................now I don't expect you to believe all this

..but that's the way it is

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:25 am

Sooooooo , in my country we use other things,. our language and body language is more threatening, our streetfighting skills are a little more honed..................now I don't expect you to believe all this ..but that's the way it is

You need not convince me of anything Ray _so not to fret.

‘Honed’ street - fighting is part of a continuum in America…including the language and body language…weaponless physical violence and violence with weapons_ legal and illegal.

Playing the ‘mucho macho’ part of the ‘street fighter’ will get anyone killed, in a wheel chair, or in prison and financially destitute…in England_ Wales_ or Timbuktu_

And ‘Honed’ street fighting, a great fantasy to indulge in by all who care to, is what buries the people who have trouble understanding the meaning of ‘street fight’ _which still needs to be defined.

Rory’s book is on target when it states that some martial artists _ [this is not directed at you Ray] _ want to believe in the magic and secrets of styles…convinced that what they do is sufficient to exist in a world of the reality of violence_ without the clear understanding, or even a perception of conflict in general_relying on assumptions as fed by their style.

Rory

You have certain assumptions what conflict is like …if you are interested in self defense, you will choose a martial art based on its similarity to your assumptions. The first major assumption is what a fight is and what it looks like.

Violence is a very broad category of human interaction.

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:31 am

One of the reasons why it is so difficult to find an experienced instructor for real violence is because it is hard to survive enough encounters to learn what worked and what didn't it.

Pretty wise words. Surviving your last street encounter is no guarantee you will survive the next.

ryoute -an interesting viewpoint on Sanchin

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The real skills no sifu can teach

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