Karate Kid - A major disappointment

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Karate Kid - A major disappointment

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Having seen this movie on the first night, here are my impressions.
  • It isn't karate. It's kung fu. Correction... it's mostly Wu Shu. Gone is the authenticity of the original movie, where virtually all techniques (except for the stupid crane thingie) were real and the pedestrian teaching methods ingenious. Now we have flash replacing real self defense. It's Hollywood without a soul.
  • Jackie Chan sold out being part of this movie. He's a genuine physical genius. And yet we have just one fight where he takes on a gang of 13-year-olds. Okaaay...
  • There's nothing original about the plot. It's a re-make of Karate Kid. Wax on, wax off becomes take the jacket off, hang it up, throw it down, pick it up. And as far as physical motion goes, it doesn't transfer. I've used "wax on, wax off" to teach Uechi principles, as I have paint the fence and the house. But the clothing thing? It's empty movement. There's no effort involved in hanging a jacket up. Okinawan karate was about taking SERIOUS physical movement (farming and fishing), and transferring those body mechanics to martial movement. There's no caffeine involved in lifting a coat.
  • I know I'm going to offend people when I say this, but... What's up with the fat chick in the Master Cho's Taequondo Academy uniform hawking Korean martial arts in the lobby? To start with... this physical wreck of a human being needed a tailor. The obvious commercialism made me want to take a bath when I walked by her. And when they approached my 11-year-old son... Big mistake. Don't send a girl out to do a woman's job. And don't send The Michelin Girl out to sell a commercial venture that's supposed to be about fitness. (They're certainly NOT about self-defense.) And the fashion statement? Don't get me started.
  • Gone is the charm of Pat Morita and Ralph Macchio. The movie is all about Jaden Smith's acting debut. Ten years from now, people will be forgetting that it was a martial arts movie, and remembering that it was Jaden's debut. Will Smith used martial arts, and gave nothing in return.
  • What's with the chi reference? Jackie Chan writes the character on the window of a train. And then of course they can't really deliver on what "it" is. They could have skipped that entirely. But I did chuckle with Dre Parker's (Jaden Smith) predictable "Star Wars" and the force allusion.
  • The fight scenes in the tournament (yes, the plot is almost scene by scene a copy) were fun in a gymnastic sense, but I wasn't inspired.
  • Dre Parker (Jaden) is a kid and not a teenager. He doesn't really pull the part off very well.
On the plus side...
  • The movie makes my Snowball thread appear ingenious. Those involved in embellishing the plot get what I see in terms of the many benefits of music.
  • The "swarming of the wolves" scene where the kung fu academy students hunt down Dre Parker was authentic, creative, and pulse-throbbing. This leads up to the predictable scene where Jackie Chan takes on the gang and then offers to teach young Dre Parker. Well done!
  • Cheng (Zhenwei Wang) as the bully kid in the "bad" martial arts school steals the show (IMHO). His acting is almost as good as his martial skills. I wouldn't be looking for "best supporting actor" awards, but his acting and his martial prowess save an otherwise bad movie. Look for him in future martial arts movies.
  • The context of a family having to move from a depressed Detroit auto economy to a vibrant China auto industry was both poignant and... interesting. ;)
I'm not saying don't see it. But I will say that the entire experience was a big disappointment. I remember how pleasantly surprised I was after seeing Karate Kid with my UVa martial arts buddies. This was as disappointing as that was surprising. And the movie is eminently forgettable.

It's so bad that I guarantee someone will re-make the re-make. The opportunity is out there for the next generation. And this trio of movies will make for interesting material in some future college film class.

On a final note... The movie will probably do well anyhow. But not all commercial successes are works of art.

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Post by Victor Smith »

Thanks Bill,

Your summation was what I felt when I first saw the previews.

I'm sure it's an entertainment, just it can't do anything to help karate. When the first one came out my entire youth program received free tickets to attend a special showing for MA students. Watching the shocked look on my students faces remains priceless.

Sure the karate was shoddy, but it remains the best karate movie made <IMO> and I include the 2nd chapter too.

The world has moved passed caring about karate, for good or for bad, and making a wushu movie but keeping the karate kid name because the financial backers required it ,is in fitting with the role karate seems to be relegated to.

In the long run that might be better for karate.

If you want to watch a truly unique movie here is one I just stumbled across, involving an autistic martial artist trying to get money for her mother's cancer treatment.

Yes it's a trite MA movie, but it is different too. I just picked up a copy of this movie "Chocolate" at B&N and was blown away watching it

“Jeeja” makes Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li together look like amateurs--- unreal
It’s totally different a young autistic woman in a different place in time and space trying to help her ill mother and insane action. She spent 2 years preparing for the role and it then took two years to film.

The most shocking part is immediately after the movie where you see what everyone endured.

It's better if you get a complete copy, but it's also on youtube.

Chocolate
01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouSon4mJaB0
02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm6lEKlBaY4
03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSb6VDzBDY
04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMceNZkf-a8
05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz-OsiZWiEY
06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou__nxsEXrU
07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAAZxjo18xo
08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc9QPnpTm0Q
09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMSG2OKfLsM
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I'll vouch for Chocolate. It could have used some serious editing, but that girl, and the kid who played the autistic Bruce Lee wannabe were phenomenal.
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i havnt seen the new movie, only the trailer. but the pick up the jacket thing seems to me to have no point. in the original it was always my impression that "wax on , wax, off sand the floor" was to get him to do thousands of reps of the action in the little time they had to prepare for the big fight. i hardly see picking up a jacket a thousand times. but that is kind of a jackie chan signature, taking the mundade and turning it into martail arts.
i also heard Smiths love parts were awkward as well due to the fact he looks like he is nine.
when Miyagi fought off the teens it worked becuse he was a little old man and the teens were large strong high schoolers. i wouldnt think that would transfer well with jackie chan,,, it would seem more like Kramer fighting the kids in Signfeld.

the orginal karate parts were played by Fumio Demura and the center judge in the compitition ( i forget his last name Pat -something) did a lot of the choriography as well.
that would explain the good karate.

why does hollywood always mess everything up.
another old example was Bruse lee's "Dragon" it was suposed to be the "real" story even Linda lee Cadwell was out promoting it as finally the true real story will be told ,,,,,and what we got was crap.
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I saw the movie again with a karate student on Saturday afternoon. Interestingly enough, this matinee crowd was filled with black families. A very different demographic than Friday night date crowd. I noted that they enjoyed the movie much more than the Friday night crowd.

It was less about the martial arts and more about the success of a black against obvious prejudice and social exclusion. That theme resonated with the black families in attendance. Of note... they cheered the most ridiculous and improbable techniques - because they were throw by "the good guy."

So we go from typical teen angst and bullying to prejudice and social exclusion. I guess...

I agree with Hoshin that Jaden Smith can't pull off the boy-girl thing as a 12-year-old. Will Smith should have waited a year or two before putting his son in that role. (And as a father of 2 boys loved by the girls far too much, I know what I'm talking about here...) The martial arts may have come across as more believable as well. The bullying too. The boy just lacked... balls. They come in handy in a few venues. Sixth grade? Nope... Seventh and eighth grade? Yup...

Too much Disney. Too little reality. And absolutely none (zero) of the "chi" that "Mr. Han" (Jackie Chan) preached about. No core? No "chi". Chi needed to work the farm, pull in the fish nets, row the boat, wax a car, sand a floor, paint a fence, etc. Chi not needed to put your damn coat on the hook, or put it on your back. Body, mind, and spirit not galvanized with the duties of a child.

And the bodies flying from the impact of Jaden's hits? I don't think so...

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Here's a general criticism of the entire Karate Kid series and the tournaments. What's up with the full contact, pretty smiles, and no protective equipment? I realize we need to show off Hollywood's faces. It's sort of like those old promotional photos where they have football types running sans helmet. But after a point... it really does grate on those who know better.

Also... Doesn't it just grate on you Uechika that the "illegal" techniques (in BOTH movies) are shots to the leg? Talk about some pro-TKD nonsense....

We have an advantage, my friends. The rest of the martial world will shudder at the thought of it all. And Uechika?

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As I said to my karate student beside me yesterday, this was all about distance fighting. It's the northern Chinese and Korean mindset. (No surprise that those geographic regions are connected.) The antidote to the gymnastic nonsense is some good-old-fashioned, southern China infighting.

Let it remain one of commercial karate's best kept secrets. Meanwhile... not a mystery to a mixed martial artist.

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I don't think the MA techniques we tend to see on film is so much a MA mindset being expressed as it is the mindset of film-makers that distance techniques make better fight scenes than do the close-in techniques. It's can be difficult for the audience to tell what is happening sometimes with the close-in techniques, and if they cannot see exactly how it is being done it loses them. Exaggerated distance techniques seem to translate onto film better because the audience can follow these.

Bruce Lee certainly recognized this, and I doubt he would have been nearly as successful if he had just used Wing Chun techniques in his movies.

Sword fights tend to follow the same formula, exaggerated distance techniques that the audience can follow.

My favorite aspect of Hollywood-ryu techniques was in shows like Xena where they could block quick swords thrusts from fairly close range but could not block a flying side-kick that started 10 feet away...it never seems to occur to them to block a kick with a sword...or maybe that was an illegal technique...
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Glenn wrote:

Bruce Lee certainly recognized this, and I doubt he would have been nearly as successful if he had just used Wing Chun techniques in his movies.
Umm... I believe this is THE most famous Bruce Lee fight scene. And it was in a full contact tournament.

Enter the Dragon - Fight with O'Hara

Not so much on both accounts (distance techniques and Wing Chun). The first three techniques were as classic Wing Chun as you can get. And they were so fast that the audience is left aghast, wondering WTF he just threw. (I know because I know the art.)

Sure, we get to see Bruce Lee's kicking prowess. But other than the leading spinning hook kicks, they were all perfectly legitimate. Drop-down front kick straight to the balls. Bruce Lee's legendary yoko geri. And he doesn't unleash his (very real) leg techniques until long after O'Hara was half KO-ed.

It can be done.

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It's worth noting that BJJ was (indirectly) bashed in the second Karate Kid movie. Dre is shown doing a weak kote gaeshi on Mr. Han, with him looking back with blank face.

Meanwhile... Mr. Han does perform a nikkyo (after an improbable catching of fist) as his first technique in the fight scene. Did anyone catch that?

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Sure he used some Wing Chun, but could he have gotten by with only using Wing Chun in his movies? Not that doing so would have fit with his philosophy of being able to fight at all ranges.
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Glenn wrote:
Sure he used some Wing Chun, but could he have gotten by with only using Wing Chun in his movies?
His tournament sequences were probable. His progression was probable. Not so much in the Karate Kid tournament scenes.

Cheng (Zhenwei Wang) on the other hand steals the show - on the streets and in the tournament. His martial prowess is genuine. And unlike Bruce Lee, he can act.

I don't want to ruin the movie here for those who haven't seen it. But I'll bet dollars to donuts that the final technique was done with a prop. On every dimension I can think of (physical condition of Dre, Jaden Smith's abilities, likelihood of dropping his opponent), it makes no sense.

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The critics apparently agree with me here. This is an excellent article, which compares reviews of the 2 movies.

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Bill Glasheen wrote:Here's a general criticism of the entire Karate Kid series and the tournaments. What's up with the full contact, pretty smiles, and no protective equipment? I realize we need to show off Hollywood's faces. It's sort of like those old promotional photos where they have football types running sans helmet. But after a point... it really does grate on those who know better.

Also... Doesn't it just grate on you Uechika that the "illegal" techniques (in BOTH movies) are shots to the leg? Talk about some pro-TKD nonsense....

We have an advantage, my friends. The rest of the martial world will shudder at the thought of it all. And Uechika?

I said My my my! like a spider to a fly
Jump right ahead in my web!


As I said to my karate student beside me yesterday, this was all about distance fighting. It's the northern Chinese and Korean mindset. (No surprise that those geographic regions are connected.) The antidote to the gymnastic nonsense is some good-old-fashioned, southern China infighting.

Let it remain one of commercial karate's best kept secrets. Meanwhile... not a mystery to a mixed martial artist.

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What even bothered me more is how good legit training is veiwed as inferior to wax on, wax off, such as pad work and combination work, sparring.

In karate kid 3, the bad guy does lots of really good training, alive adn resistant, and Daniel-san did kata all day long with mr.Miyagi to prepare for the tournament. Kata is good, but daneil should have done that at home and did sparring and padwork with Mr. Miyagi(kata is for when you have no partner) Such things are fundamental to tournament fighting AND street fighting.
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Post by JaySal »

Hi Bill.

I also saw the movie, and it was a major disappointment. I suggest no one waste there money to see it. Wait till its on free TV to waste your time seeing it. Do not make the mistake I did and waste your money.

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I honestly cannot remember the last time I visited a theater. Maybe a decade or more. But the Karate Kid seemed to do alright with a 56 million weekend. It kicked the A-teams butt. Maybe these were all fans of the previous movie? My prediction has been it would be bad so I never even thought about going to see it.

It may have been better than Karate Kid 5 when Daniel-san picked up the guitar and fought Satans axe-man, or when he faced Fred Munster disguised as a Southern judge. Well at least that one had Tomei.

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