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Bill Glasheen wrote:I was disappointed with the version of Goju Sanchin they displayed. It isn't the most prevalent version. There are no turns to start with, which is an important part of the form. (The differences in turns in-between Uechi and Gojo aren't subtle.)
In Gōjū, there are two sanchin kata: the first one, Miyagi's sanchin (or "sanchin dai ichi"), the most widely taught as initial and Kihongata, was created for such purpose by Chojun Miyagi, and has no turns so the karateka goes forward and then backwards.
The second sanchin, Higashionna's sanchin (or "sanchin dai ni") is a full-version Sanchingata and is older and was taught by Higashionna Kanryo. In this kata the karateka always goes forward, but turns 180 degrees twice. Initially it was taught with open hands, as sanchin-kata still is in Uechi-ryu, but later it was also revised to closed fists by Miyagi's co-student Juhatsu Kyoda, founder of To'on-ryu, and adopted by Chojun Miyagi as well.
How about this version of Sanchin dai ni from the Toguchi lineage?
Sanchin dai ni
That was Morio Higaonna, a prominent Goju stylist who has made many videos and books ... He trained under Chojun Miyagi and Ei'ichi Miyazato among others.
My understanding is that the version without turns (Sanchin dai ichi) was developed by Miyagi and is the standard version in Goju.
Is that a good/adequate explanation, Bill-Sensei?
Tensho is a totally different kata but yes the hands are open.
Fukyu kata was created by Chojun Miyagi and Shoshin Nagamine. Fukyu was the name Shorin-ryu used and Goju as I know it, call it Gekisai kata.
I have always thought Uechi and Goju are probably from the same source but I am sure you would have to go back a long way and account for the changes made along the way to both.
I have looked at Seisan as well and I see key signs that it is possible they are from the same source as well. However Seisan has morphed so much it is really hard to see.
Just thought I would put my own two cents in as well.
hoshin wrote:Tensho is a totally different kata but yes the hands are open.
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