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Walter Mattson
Senior Advisor - OUKA
Grandmaster Shintoku Takara

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Van

Walter Shihan:

It may have taken you some time to write this, but it is one of the most insightful posts I have ever read. Thank you.

Robb in Sacramento

Insightful indeed...thanks Robb.

Walter indicated that you can substitute the word meditation with concentration...as some of us have difficulty with meditation.

There will be more from Walter...and feel free to ask questions, everyone.

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Van

Van and Walter I have a question. Can you talk about the progression over time of what you concentrate on while performing Sanchin. I.e. early on in your training progressively towards where you are now.

Thanks,

Steve

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the post. Walter will surely provide an answer with his opinion.

Sanchin is a challenging kata/exercise not only to perform effectively but also to teach properly.

Students have a tendency to become bored very quickly with those repetitive simple movements.

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Van

Steve,

Here's Walter's answer to your question...again to remind all...Walter is only expressing his personal opinion, and not lecturing on the 'proper' way Sanchin is to be done

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Van

Thank you Van and Walter. Interesting. In my albeit short experience with Sanchin, (I am a shodan) it has always been a struggle to "stick" to sanchin practice. Not because it was boring, as I see its increased importance the more I study it, but because that's my problem with most anything I pursue. Sticktoitiveness..lol. That's why it took me about 20 years to get my shodan. When I first started I just did it the way my instructor (Rick Potrekus Sensei) showed me. Then I evolved to becoming stronger physically (in my mind being able to take a good body check), but then I began to see, as I learned more advanced kata, that many if not all strikes and receiving (some call blocking) would return to the sanchin position. I am not currently near anyone to practice with, much less my instructors, so it becomes difficult to practice sanchin and know that one is doing it properly. There were many times I would "think" that my sanchin was strong but a simple push or strike from Rick sensei or George sensei and I would wobble like a weeble. So much of my practice now is trying to develop mental pictures of what I should be doing while I am doing it.. I appreciate the input from both of you.

Thanks for your input, Steve. There is so much to learn from comments like yours.

Speaking for myself, having come to Uechi from competitive sports, the last being semi-pro soccer when stepping into a Uechi dojo, I was totally turned off by sanchin.

Being used to mobility,evasive movements_ combined with explosive force in kicking the ball and checking opponents, I could not comprehend the rooting concept and the 'duck walk' of the exercise done with full tension at that time.

Also the just standing there while being 'tested' seemed to be ridiculous, not because of the so called 'punishment' _ as I was used to more severe hits on the soccer field_ but more so at the idea of having to remain 'grounded' while taking those 'testing' hits...whereas I was used to absorb and redirect the force of the defensive players [I was a forward striker], so I could get around them to find the space to kick the ball at the goal box.

To me it made better sense to shift my body upon a shove, hit, check or whatever contact...to act like a swinging door, such as the ones you see in saloons of western movies...so as to gain a swing back momentum into an attacker in a fight. We see this great concept in Enshin karate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-aV5Snn ... re=related

But Sanchin all began to make sense to me in later years when learning to remain 'relaxed firm', yet flexible without binding tension, feeling the connection of the major body components ...in any position my body would happen to be during tournament fighting, all acting at once to deliver explosive force in just one brief moment of Kime,then back to relaxed firmness allowing me to move again as the swinging door. This being the 'internal' as Walter explains it, and as George sensei began to teach it as well.

We find these concepts in all Uechi kata as well as hojo undo but most do not practice the 'offshoots' of them while on the floor. The reason much of my teaching today is devoted to this aspect of mobility...as opposed to 'stancing' ...

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Van

_ Walter Mattson

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Van

Van the "relaxed firm" phrase is a great phrase, think I'll steal it It took me a while to (not that I've mastered it) to get a hold of that concept. I would concentrate greatly on trying to anchor myself to the ground, which usually meant tensing all my lower body muscles as tight as I could make them. What that did was make me like a stiff tree stump that would snap under great pressure, when what I should have been was more like a sapling that bends and "receives" the wind (i.e.blow) and only tenses the muscles directly effected by the particular strike, and not necessarily tensing them as hard as I could. So in a sense I would become stronger by actually relaxing some. I.e. "relaxed firm".

If I recall correctly, either Schreifer sensei or Potrekus sensei told me once, we're looking more for how your body recovers to sanchin than we are how hard a blow you can absorb without movement. Movement when struck or pushed wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

I could have that quote wrong, maybe they'll weigh in.

Steve

Steve,

This is a great post thank you. I know Walter would also agree. Sensei Mattson as well.

The recovery, as you state, is the key.

Imagine some misguided sensei pushing you in different directions in sanchin, and as you lurch into an awkward, swaying or staggering motion_losing your connection to the ground…you think 'I'll never get this damn sanchin' because you were taught you should have become a wooden Indian in front of a cigar store.

Now tell the 'sensei' to do it again with his eyes closed because you have a surprise for him.

So he does, only this time when he shoves, you act like the swing doors of the western saloon, and rebound at him with a swiveling technique that will open his eyes.

One example of this when I was fighting tournaments:

I would stick out a leg from a semi cat stance, baiting the opponent to come at it with a low kick/sweep.

If he swept my leg on the outside, I would let the relaxed leg fly in an arc and return into his body or head like a TKD hook kick.

If he swept on the inside, like against the flat of my shin, I would lift up the leg over his low sweep and return in an arc against the back of his kicking leg or going deeper into his support leg and grabbing him for a take down and finish punch.

We practiced this a lot along with Bob Bethoney and Arthur Rabesa.

Bob Bethoney pulled it against a very famous Uechi Ryu fighter in Okinawa during their yearly Okinawan Tournament…dumping him to the floor.

Sanchin 'grounding' is all relative.

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Van

Hi Van

Great post. Many of the things said I have been through as well. As you know Van I use a lot of internal energy to gain the same power as I used to do with strength. Niether are wrong but the internal seems to give the same power but without the excess effort. The medititaion or concentration for me is a means of giving myself over completely to the sanchin kata. To experience it rather than just peform it.

Taking the sanchin test has also changed over time. It seems to have moved from an aggressive defence to a calm and relaxed state of mind that allows a change from defence to offence in a seemless manner. I didn't know about the Bodhidarma connection but it does make sense to me.

I have used that kick on many occassions Van after baiting someone. I can see you smiling from it now!!

There are so many ways to practice sanchin. Hitting them hard, pushing them, eyes closed, holding on to them, more than one person pushing them but all of them concentrate the mind in to becoming sanchin. I try to be rooted to the floor but not stuck to it. I want to move smoothly more than quickly. I want to be everything that sanchin can let me be. I know that there is much more to come but I don't know what it is yet. Over the last eight years I have felt that I have had many changes in the way things work in Uechi Ryu not just in sanchin, however, everything is coming from sanchin.

The tree is a great example Steve and I use it often myself. The roots and the branches look the seem so we should be connected to the surroundings as much as we are connected to the ground in the rooting. I have heard many sensei say that wa uke is nothing without the sanchin stance. Understanding why they say that can change the way in which one moves during sanchin.

In sanchin we can defend, attack, evade, accept, have calmness, fight, qigong, gain balance, posture, strength, targeting, internal power, external power and things I have not come across yet. As the comments in this thread indicate we all change over time in mind, body and spirit.

I think that you will always see an element of your sensei in what you do even if you have more than one but it is more important that we can see as much of yourself as possible. We are all different both physically and emotionally so I explore to bring the best out of a student. I only teach how to practice the art. Sanchin will always be sanchin performed at many different levels.

All the best

Jim

Hi Jim,

This is really a fantastic post, something that I and surely many others will read over and over, because there is so much to learn from it.

I know that Walter and George sensei would also agree with you.

All the best,

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Van

Jim Hulse

This is very good. As you know George sensei has a drill that is interesting called 'in your face sanchin' _ where someone has to perform sanchin through a gauntlet with students impeding, hitting shoving, pulling etc.

A great drill, where I love to surprise the 'pushers'/pullers...who don't expect certain reactions which I believe to be integral to sanchin...such as pivoting, deflecting,going against or with the flow of the pulls and pushes, using the wauke to unbalance and displace the people in the gauntlet, sometimes by slamming them against one another.

When someone complains by saying'well you didn't do sanchin the right way' you just give them a big smile, because you know he will try to learn to do the same thing on his own.

I find this to be a good way to teach someone to 'fight' out of sanchin.

With your energy skills from chi-gong and your massive frame, I can see how you would make people fly.

This could be a good demo.

I am enjoying watching the Liverpool and Chelsea soccer games being played here in the states, in baseball parks.

Soccer the love of my life.

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Van

To refine my comments/question even more, during one's practice of Sanchin alone, with no one providing outside input, what do you all think of, or what mental picture do you attempt to see? Many kata's have relatively specific applications (at least in the early stages of learning) to their moves so you can mentally "see" a target. Do you ever use an invisible opponent?

Steve