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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:36 pm 
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This is a very complex problem...

Good discussion here....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 19301.html

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:26 pm 
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One reason why Americans buy 'assault weapons' [guns with large capacity magazines] is for protection and deterrence against assaults in potential urban unrest and or survival in the aftermath of catastrophies.

Guns have been flying off the shelves lately, and there is now a year wait on the 'black guns' ...interesting to look into the emotional motivations of Americans in the aftermath of these tragedies.

We have read of rape, vandalism, violent assaults, crack dealing/drug abuse, and gang activity in the post Katrina nightmare.

We also remember well the LA riot of 1992 where the people who did best were the Koreans who took up arms to defend their stores and themselves.

There should definitely be stricter controls on the easy availability of certain guns...but the reality is that there are millions of such 'assault' weapons _and some nut or 'nasties' intent on terrorizing and killing people will always be able to get such guns.

Placing an armed guard/policeman on school grounds may have some deterrence value, but not really...because these shootings are pre-planned and a lightly armed, surprised good guy with a mouse gun [a pistol]
will be no match for a determined bad guy with an assault weapon, and often he will be the killer's first casualty.

And rather than a deterrent, the armed school guard will serve, for some shooters, as an attractive first target, the one that ratchets the killing frenzy up a notch or two.

This is sobering to consider as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:37 pm 
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Most Americans are acutely aware of potential consquences below, and this is one reason for the desire to own effective firearms.

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In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, looting, violence and other criminal activity became serious problems. With most of the attention of the authorities focused on rescue efforts, public security in New Orleans degraded quickly. By August 30, looting had spread throughout the city, often in broad daylight and in the presence of police officers.

"The looting is out of control. The French Quarter has been attacked," City Councilwoman Jackie Clarkson said. "We're using exhausted, scarce police to control looting when they should be used for search and rescue while we still have people on rooftops."

Incapacitated by the breakdown of transportation and communication, as well as overwhelmed numerically, police officers could do little to stop crime, and shopkeepers who remained behind were left to defend their property alone.

Looters included gangs of gunmen, and gunfire was heard in parts of the city. Along with violent, armed robbery of non-essential valuable goods, many incidents were of residents simply taking food, water, and other commodities from unstaffed grocery stores.

There were also reports of some police officers looting. Significant looting continued in areas of the city with few, if any permanent residents, such as the Lakeview, Gentilly, and the Midcity regions.

"Sniper fire" was also reported throughout the city, targeted at rescue helicopters, relief workers, and police officers.

Looting and "mayhem" was also hampering efforts to evacuate the Tulane Medical Center, as well. "If we do not have the federal presence in New Orleans tonight at dark, it will no longer be safe to be there, hospital or no hospital," Acadian Ambulance Services C.E.O. Richard Zuschlag told CNN on August 31. Several news sources reported instances of fighting, drug use, theft, rape, and murder in the Superdome and other refuge centers.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:01 pm 
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We see a mindset here.

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Do what a deputy sheriff friend of mine did: he taught his family(some as young as four years old)to shoot an SKS. He himself had an AR15A2; budgetary complaints(chronically sick toddler for four months)prevented arming said family with his choice of a rifle.

When word got out, that anybody menacing said family would shot at by everybody in the home; that ended both the death threats and menacing behaviours(Like people stopping a shouting obscenities from cars).

Like it or not, outlaws WILL kill/injure/take hostage children; this is to break the will of the family to resist.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:50 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATKEtf4H4Ik

Jm Maloney and I learned the tactical speed reloads and jam clearance of a semiauto handgun under John Farnam.

What you see above is not very difficult to do after a bit of practice.

Right now there are Glock handguns with high capacity magazines in possession of most owners [17 rounds].

This clip really shows the futility of legislating 'assault weapons' i.e., the AR-15 rifles...when a determined mental case wants to get firepower to kill. It may help, but not much at the range where these school children are massacred.

Even if the magazines were the current legal of 10 rounds, one can see how quickly a pistol can be reloaded.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
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http://www.policeone.com/edp/articles/6 ... forcement/

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
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It never ends...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aurora-townhou ... d=18139099

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:14 pm 
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Active Shooters - Final Solution

Since the killings in Connecticut, we have heard all manner of proposed solutions to these problems. Most of the solutions proposed smack of stupidity and cowardice...and a few other things. In this article I will state why I think these events occur, and how to best stop them.

I begin with the assumption that man is evil and selfish - and dark. If left in the wilds, to his own devices,to live as an animal, man becomes a predator with nothing to curtail the drives to eat, rest, and procreate...by force. It is only civilization, and with it, morality, or the sense of right and wrong, that elevates man from a self-serving animal, to the status of human being.

In our western civilization, right and wrong is defined in the book that has defined our culture from the first century - the Bible. If we remove the Bible, and its Author, from our society, we immediately lose the authority to define what is right and what is wrong. And in modern America's idiotic desire to "never offend anyone", we have sacrificed the definition of what is right and what is wrong, for some sense of approval by those who are wrong.

Americans do not care if they are called, but do not call them intolerant. God is who defines good and evil, and right and wrong. But Americans don't want to hear about that...it might offend someone.

The problem is that without the light of good that our biblical culture brings, there is nothing holding back the darkness. And when nothing holds that back, the forces of evil grow stronger, and you see them flex their muscles in Columbine, Aurora, and in Connecticut.

Want to stop that from happening again? Really stop it? Invite the light of good back, and the Source of that light and see how society changes.

Now that will not happen overnight, and it will never happen in the most left-leaning regions of
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So what to do in the interim?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
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http://triangle.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=527

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Why does the left hate self-defense?
Posted May 16th, 2007 at 1:20 PM by Jon Ham

A man in South Africa, Aldred Tissong, may face murder charges for shooting two armed men who broke into his house. According to news reports:


If the Director of Public Prosecutions found that neither Tissong nor his wife were in mortal danger, Tissong could be charged with murder.

“The best that the accused can do is to get himself a lawyer as soon as possible, so that he does not say something that can be used against him at a later stage.”

When two armed men break into an occupied home, they forfeit their right to leave alive, in my view. Government can’t expect law-abiding homeowners to be able to assess the intention of thugs and criminals who invade their homes. The invasion alone should be a right to shoot to kill. As the headline on the story says, he was trying to protect his family.

It’s pretty black-and-white, but the anti-gun zealots see only shades of gray, and they project their wimpish dislike of self-defense on everyone else:


Judy Bassingthwaighte, national director of Gun Free South Africa, said a firearm usually complicated matters even more.

“There’s also the emotional suffering that Tissong will be going through because he presumably took a life.

“It’s dangerous to own a firearm and we must ask ourselves if it’s worth it.”

Well, Mr. Tissong’s family is safe and alive. His only peril right now is from the state, which is not sure he should have been allowed to protect his hearth, home and family.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:19 pm 
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Home invasion mystery


http://www.unionleader.com/article/2013 ... /130109395

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
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In reading the wiki lists of school attacks--such as in China etc. Its clear that considerable loss of life sans firearms is frighteningly common.

I note that in a number of cases of such attacks fire/arson and or homemade explosives are involved. The sick sob that shot up the movie theater wired his apt with homemade explosives. The Columbine sickoes also attempted to use homemade explosives.

Like that guy that sets his and the guy next door house on fire then shot the firefighters that came to put it out. Most of the media was focused on the gun he used. Me?

1- I want to know why a guy that beat his grandmother to death with a hammer is running around lose?

2-What are they going to do--ban gasoline? How many people have been killed in arson fires?

A very quick and crude search for arson statistics shows:

2003- 305 deaths and 692 million in damages
2004- 320 deaths and 714 million in damages
2005- 315 deaths and 664 million in damages
2006- 305 deaths and 755 million in damages

The arson rates per 100,000 people by State are pretty scary.

As long as the media and people choose to focus on only one part of the equation these will be no solution.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Good post Cxt.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
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A must read...


http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the- ... f-the-gun/

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
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Don't know if you've seen this yet, Van, but I have to share!

How Ben Swann schooled Piers Morgan.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun rampage in Ct
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:00 pm 
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Thanks, Jason.

In these discussions I always look for the 'reasonable' in the person and in the argument. So now we have Ben
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Actually one of the most legitimate forms of usage for guns is not violence but the threat of violence. In other words a large about of general non-violent people leads to protection for gun owners and everyone else. If many good men own guns they have little need of them, if few they always have need of them. Over all a larger part of the population owning guns means less death...


Then we have these dorks:

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Your love of guns and racist hearts are an abomination to the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a sin to believe you can save yourself by killing.

Someone show that limey b*astard Piers Morgan this! Shut him up.

Kill yourself, you racist p*rick.
Ben TheF*uckingMan Swann


These are _supposedly _the 'non violent people' _regurgitating their oversize sodas and supersize anchovies pizzas.Image

Very reasonable indeed :(

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