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I think we all pretty much agree that blocking is a very poor attempt to control a fight and attacking the attack is much more effective. However, there is another approach that I like very much and that is limb destruction, covering with your elbows so that a superior puncher breaks his hands on your elbows or is unable to get a clear line of attack on you or actually attacking his limbs. Here's a clip of that sort of thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEcDOEsz ... B794E113B2

hi Ray thats pretty much my favourite application of the Seisan elbow , got a lot of time for Panantukan demos Ive seen pretty much Uechi compatible the way I practice it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTCHAVVhC_E

I prefer the outside line and getting of the spot , but this is all good flow IMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kig7ORidXGY

makes sense even in russian

These are great examples of how to use a move we've done hundreds of thousands of times in seisan, perhaps mindlessly. Love the head butt thing that is in Stryke's post as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RXiOj7tvwA

This video shows the more obvious use from seisan.

I've been training this as part of a flinch response on my BOB. Makes you think more when doing seisan. and especially sanseiryu. I don't think enough thought goes into kata for most of us practicing uechi. lately I've been asking myself "what can I do with this.?"

Great videos. Thanks.

I think FMA has themes in it, one of them is limb destruction.....and I do that now, if I do a wristlock I slam the wrist into my knee before I put it on. The most important part however is that when you meet somebody who is a lot better than you, who is faster and stronger then you can use your elbows as a defence and then attack his limbs " cut the corners" to use Musashi's terminology, and if you adopt their methodology then you can incorporate it into your own MA,,,,,,,it works very well with Wing chun, hubud and Chi Sao are cousins ...I also like the transitioning into and out of weapons......it really looks just like streetfighting with a plan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi7TPa1e ... re=related

Jamming...one of my favorite that worked extremely well in our tournaments days.

And the blade work with the karambit...awesome...it makes anyone think twice about being able to block or disarm or even jam someone like that Guro.

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Van

Yeah Van the karambit is an awesome weapon, but folks have known about a hawkbill blade for years before the karambit, not that I'm knocking it. It could cause horrible injuries, although the use of it looks really cool
this guy looks good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O6MchAeAkc

and you can see how empty hand works into it

Skip to 4:00 on this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T78lwKBIQYs

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Glenn

Ray,

True about the hawkbill and good work in the clip.

Glenn,

indeed.

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When thinking about all this...if you don't see the knife, whatever it may be, you will get stabbed or cut despite being good at empty hands defense no matter what system.

If you see the knife ... and if you must stay in the fight_ it is best to keep your distance and use cover if you can while going for improvised weapons...or reach for a real effective weapon you may carry, like a pistol.

Or take flight from the danger anyway you can.

Taking on a guy with a knife if you see it, with empty hands, is never recommended because fatal mistakes will be made, inviting death at our door.

I saw a guy get killed with a knife back in the old country and that sight is printed in my mind indelibly.

If you have a knife of your own, and you are trained in its use...it is still best not to get into a 'duel' ...and try to evade seeking cover...or take flight if possible.

Even if you shoot some assailant coming at you with a knife, you cannot be sure of 'stoppage' before he closes the distance and stabs you in the chaos and under the adrenaline dump, unless you score a head shot, which is also not likely, even at close range, under the dump.

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Here is something interesting by Peyton Quinn

How many of us really think of this stuff,smug in what we think we know?

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Van

It's how you practice.

Do you practice the pre contact quest, do you drill drawing weapons

If you do your drilling taking the man before the opportunity.

The versus knife stuff is after you've already done so much ,and so much has gone wrong


Is different from sportive mindset

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"Is different from sportive mindset"

Yes it is, one of my friends sent me clip of a full contact event, but with protective equipment. It seemed to me a trade of punches and kicks. Although the guys involved were a lot younger than I am ( and I hate old men who talk tough)....I think I would have won, and this would be simply down to mindset. The difference being that if I found an opening then I would punish them dearly, I just wouldn't let up..they can skip and dance around for 20 moniutes but I reckon that I only need a minute or two, close in fighting continuosly none stop, until they are down.....of course if I met a younger,stronger guy with the same mindset I don't think that I would last ..............it takes a while to see the difference, but when you do see it, then you realise that old,fat, unfit people can be just as dangerous as young guns if they have the correct mindset

Good points by Stryke.

From a personal viewpoint, I still see the very best training _being the one that combines the adrenaline factor with the simplest empty hands and weapons 'schooling' and 'drilling' _ that develop concepts most likely to work.

In the past I covered in detail the excellent training in all these aspects at RMCAT ~Peyton Quinn~


Worth taking another look.

http://www.rmcat.com/

http://stresshooting.com/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=88

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Van

Good posts, Ray I tend to agree , however sport skillet has it's place, if I had to summarise, if say sport is focused on scoring the opportunities, and combatives is utilizing the opportunities, the kind of compounds attacks were considering are hampered by the ruleset, but the mutual confrontation sport model is opportunity and surviving between the combatives.

But your point is well taken, and Lairds students proved it in competition.

Van pressure testing is key once students are ready for it, pressure makes diamonds, and brings out the real skillsets and attributes without any fantasy

There is much to this stuff that we can argue about it forever and ever.

Sport karate is an important tool in our self defense tool box, and it may be one we ignore at our own risk.

Sport Karate athletes do a lot of ancillary athletic training to increase their speed, strength, explosive power, focus, coordination, body conditioning , timing, evasive off line drills_ in avoiding being hit or tagged_ endurance_ and even more important…deliberation and determination, along with expenditure of vigorous energy, especially in the use of initiative and forcefulness making an all-out effort to win or succeed.

It also conditions the body and mind to dominate an adversary. All attributes that help in a real encounter because of the experience gained in the 'face offs' with opponents of different sizes, weight, and skills who are trying to take you out.

But there is something even more important that occurs subliminally:

Personal Growth - Facing weakness and the fact that there might be people more qualified than you out there takes courage. Doing something about it guarantees personal growth.

That feeling that says, "Are you good enough?" right on top of that feeling of "You are moments away from proving yourself."

It is hard to develop some of the qualities without stepping into a ring, to test them.

You won't step out of the ring assured that you can defend yourself, but these qualities alone will insure you have what it takes to develop the skill necessary to defend yourself with honor.

Free fighting, and more so _tournament competition_ gets the practitioner to experience the adrenaline dump to a certain extent, where he will learn the affects of it _on his mind and body.

Again I look at this as critical tools to neatly line up in your tool box…but that is only a beginning.

Body conditioning, especially the hardening of the striking limbs [our natural weapons] is a must, something that I continue to do on a daily basis, because you want to be sure that your 'impact weapon' will not fracture upon contact, and you will not fold when your limbs are targeted for incapacitation.

Next comes more serious adrenaline scenario training, as we see in RMCAT_with and without weapons along the force continuum.

Young or old, any street opponent can take us out when fueled by determination and or weaponry.

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Van