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hoshin wrote:I have been thinking a lot about what I would call an aggregate system. If you go to an MMA school you can learn Muay Thai one night and BBJ the next and boxing on another. What happens is the “style” is dropped and you end up learning from necessity rather than what is except able at yellow belt or whatever rank you are. It always frustrated me when I was a teen that I would come to class after spending hours and hours at home working on some kick only to have my teacher tell me not to do that kick anymore because that is a brown belt kick. Oooooo ahhhh. Like there is some magic. The next generation is not going to spend three years just doing sanchin. In 2013 and forward things move to fast. Everything is instant and the younger people expect this speed. As a business if you can’t provide what is expected someone else will. So my new thinking is an aggregate system where students are free to learn what they feel they need. Now I may not be a judo guy but there is no reason I can’t get someone else in to cover that area. I am thinking like a coach who specializes in a certain area that I am a true expert in and let others provide their expertise. The new generation has little tolerance for bull. If you can’t walk the walk they will know. The magic fu fu dust death touch I would show you but you might die, kind of stuff is gone.
I think I would break the system into a few categories
1 striking and kicking
3 joint locks and throwing
4 traditional weapons (sword, sticks, knifes, whatever you fancy)
5 street weapons ( chain, baseball bat, lap top, fry pan, kitchen sink ect)
hoshin wrote:I would agree with a statement that TMA SHOULD be real self defense however the reality of most dojos says otherwise. The problem stems from the past conflict of interest between what makes an effective art and what makes a successful dojo that puts money in the owner’s pockets. Thus my question “is there a customer demand for true self defense”. The other thread mentions certain karate seniors who “have thousands of students” truth be told they have had a small hand full of very good, very effective and powerful martial art students who may have also become great teachers of their own right but the rest of those thousands and thousands are very lack luster and mediocre who could not fight their way out of a paper bag. The training method is to teach to the general population which means a very broad brush version of karate that anyone can do and enjoy. The philosophy is that everyone comes to karate for different reasons.
1 community activity where you can meet people
2 lose weight
3 become more flexible
4 stay active as we age
6 build confidence
These are the reasons to learn karate that commercial dojo’s have been advertising for years. The self defense aspect was down played to the point where it seemed teachers were almost embarrassed that it was a fighting art. Why did this happen? Because we became child oriented. You can’t say to a parent “yeah we are going to teach your kid how to kick the living $%!+ out of the other kids. The focus became something other than fighting because fighting is a bad thing that only bad people do.
Did anyone notice other than me that the karate kid movie had a semi full contact fight with no protective equipment and within a few years karate was being associated with pizza eating turtle cartoons and kung-fu panda.
We created an image to bring the child students in the door so we could pay the rent. In doing so, we sold our souls and our dignity. Yes teachers will try to rationalize this and say “well yes I teach kids but my adult class is REALLY about self defense”. I say bull. Lots of teachers have classes that mix the parent and child in the same class. The number one karate school in my area as far as student enrolment goes is called “family martial arts” I think that says it all.
1993 rolls around and the UFC comes out. A few years later The Ultimate Fighter TV show explodes in popularity. Suddenly it’s not so much a taboo to say we teach fighting. The trouble is the TMA School is no longer seen as real. A bunch of guys walking around in pajamas showing off their belt to show how good they are. Doing fake fighting in the air and when there is someone in front of them the dojo rules say no contact.
I made this thread so we can start to shake this image and if needed remove the old Japanese model and create a new modern way of teaching the stuff that actually works.
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