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history of Islam

Postby jorvik » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:08 pm

I found this clip, and I thought it might interest people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
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Re: history of Islam

Postby Jason Rees » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:53 am

Why am I always skeptically about videos posted on Youtube claiming to tell of a 1,000+ yrs old secret?
That was a rhetorical question, btw.
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Re: history of Islam

Postby Bill Glasheen » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:14 pm

It's difficult to comment when this doesn't load. I have to wonder why.

What I was able to get in bits and pieces was interesting. Sources would be nice...

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Re: history of Islam

Postby jorvik » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:04 am

Ok I'll post the link again ,I didn't post it too well last time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

Basically it is the tale of the development of Islam, it shows the wars that they have fought etc. It sounds like historical fact, which it may well be. I believe that a lot of it is correct.
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Re: history of Islam

Postby Bill Glasheen » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:21 pm

The main theme I get from the lecture is that Islam was spread by the sword. There were 800 some-odd battle fought during the time it was spread.

We have reason to fear any religion or political school of thought that is imposed on us by force. Jefferson was quite adamant about that when passing his Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. That was a response to the existing paradigm in England where The State sponsored the Anglican church and taxed its citizens to support it. That's noxious enough.

Listening to this guy makes me feel like I'm listening to politically incorrect thought. He in fact presents himself as such. But if what he says is true, it's quite damning of Islam. And we shouldn't be characterized as intolerant for bashing what is clearly itself intolerant.

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Re: history of Islam

Postby jorvik » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:37 pm

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"Listening to this guy makes me feel like I'm listening to politically incorrect thought. He in fact presents himself as such. But if what he says is true, it's quite damning of Islam. And we shouldn't be characterized as intolerant for bashing what is clearly itself intolerant."

Yeah I hate political correctness, people who spout it are using it for themselves and not because they believe it. You can't have Islam and homosexuality in the same culture.Islam doesn't like Homosexuality so the idea of a " multi cultural" society is a none starter.
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Re: history of Islam

Postby Feur » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:55 am

Bill Glasheen wrote:We have reason to fear any religion or political school of thought that is imposed on us by force. Jefferson was quite adamant about that when passing his Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. That was a response to the existing paradigm in England where The State sponsored the Anglican church and taxed its citizens to support it. That's noxious enough.


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Spanish inquisition?

Crusades?

I believe most religions and political positions are kept in play by the use of force.

I fear those who believe they should decide anything on my behalf without my expressed permission.
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Re: history of Islam

Postby jorvik » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:14 pm

I found it interesting because i have always wondered how Byzantium became Turkey.....and also the collapse of the Roman Empire and carthage.there is a lot more to the story than that and it just doesn't involve Islam although they do play a major part.the last crusade was against the Cathars who were a christian sect, and this later led onto the Spanish inquisition.............I don't really hold with any of these religions, but if they leave me alone then I'm fine with it, the Islamics don't seem to want to do that, just look at the problems poor President assad has with Al Qaeda 8O
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Re: history of Islam

Postby Jason Rees » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:32 pm

The Spanish Inquisition started when Phillip began the policy of Spain as a Catholic nation. Jews were allowed to convert. Of course, some questioned the authenticity of these conversions. Thus, the Spanish Inquisition was born to verify the authenticity of Jews' Christianity.

The Papacy had its own that started sometime around the Rennaissance, if I recall correctly.

Neither had anything to do with Islam.
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Re: history of Islam

Postby jorvik » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:18 pm

Well I don't know. I do know that the crusades started against Islam and ended with the Christian Cathars , who were classed as "heretics" the idea of the ~"true faith" seemed to flair from there. the cathars BTW gave the catholics the confessionional.....they called it the Consolomentum, but the catholics were always fighting other christian sects, starting with the Bogomils in Bulgaria so on a time frame you can link them all together if you so desire
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