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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:52 pm 
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4). Even in cases of unequal speed, but equal initiative, when men rely only on draw speed, unless one screws up the draw, the situation we described ends up with both men shot. The hits may be separated by 1/4 or 1/2 second, but excluding a head shot, I do not believe a pistol shot will be likely to stop the other man from pressing a trigger.

5). All gunfights are 50% shooting and 50% not being shot. I think most sane men would agree that the "not getting shot" is more important that the shooting part. Moving sharply off the line of attack drastically increases your safety from the adversary's gunfire. Staying put in a perfect Weaver or Isosceles, increases the odds of taking a hit unless you are ambushing the other man with total surprise or are behind cover (again preemptive).

Why do you think most schools avoid any force on force at all, and those who do use it reserve it for "hunt the burglar" type scenarios that will support their particular "system"?

6). Some directions of movement tend to increase the angle away from the gun man's muzzle better than others. This means it takes more time for him to get his muzzle back on you. It also means it gives you more time on the trigger. With sufficient hits, he may not ever be able to catch you. I say "may" because there are no guarantees in a fight.

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:53 pm 
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7). In a reactive event (which most CCW fights will tend to be) it is imperative to move off the "X" to avoid being hit. As well, drawing and getting your own shots moving toward him is highly important. If either one is delayed you increase the chances of getting shot.

Most guys get shot when they stop. They initiate movement and avoid the first few shots, (the classic gun school side step) but then stop to take a precise shot. At that point they get hit. Keep moving until he's down, you have escaped, or you are behind cover. Movement is life; stationary shooting in the open is death.

9). The most important step once the game opens is to step off the X. Make that dynamic!

10). As hard for some people as it is to hear this, in a reactive gunfight, your physical conditioning is a factor in your survivability. Agility is an issue. If you lack agility, you'd best be hard on the alertness phase so you do not have to be reactive. The problem is that it is hard to guarantee such things. Historically there is a belief that the gun trumps everything, and that there is no need to do anything else. Your first force on force evolution changes that. Instead of trying to shave a tenth of a second off your draw, or shooting a tighter group, get to the gym!

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:54 pm 
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11). Centerline Draws - Appendix Draw, or Cross Draw are markedly faster than strong side hip or behind the back. The lines and amount of motion required to get the gun on target are dramatically less. Why these two modes of carry have been ignored by many is primarily due to artificial restrictions at competitions and competition-based shooting schools.

12). No one has seen a traditional sight picture for the first three shots in our Reactive Drills since I began teaching this material. Each FOF student must understand less than optimum methods of aligning the pistol. Point Shooting, Meat-N-Metal and other methods have value and their place in the fighting progression.

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:55 pm 
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14). Concessions of accuracy and movement. When moving do not concede your speed of movement to gain an edge in accuracy. Rather than modifying your movement to accommodate range-based shooting, modify your range-based shooting to accommodate your movement.

Well, those are just some of the things you will learn for yourself at your first Force On Force Gunfighting Session.


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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:01 pm 
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The most important step once the game opens is to step off the X. Make that dynamic!


This also applies, even more so, when fighting with your hands.

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:29 pm 
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Good stuff, Van.

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:55 pm 
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I was just thinking that probably the most common cause of death in an assault is an unexpected knockout blow, because when you fall you have no control and it is very easy to hit your head, and on concrete this could be fatal, or you could end up with brain damage, under such circumstances shooting your assailant doesn't seem that extreme a reaction.


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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
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Some people have their heads stuck so far up their hindquarters, there may be no turning back.

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
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Mobs of young black males have attacked at least three new victims in Philadelphia. One of the victims is 80 years old and one is 61.

The Philadelphia media is censoring the true nature of the attacks and downplaying the assaults as “a game.” These attacks were racially motivated assaults driven by pure hatred. If the races had been reversed, this would be a national news story.

For years the Philadelphia media has used the euphemism “flash mob” to downplay black on white mob attacks. Now, numerous Philadelphia media outlets are using the euphemism “Knockout Game, or “Game.”

The euphemism “knockout game” appears to have been an invention of the St. Louis media to downplay racially motivated black mob attacks on white and Asian victims in that city.

Newspapers and news affiliates from around the country appear to be unifying around the euphemism “knockout game” in recent weeks. So much so, that some of the perpetrators may actually be using the term themselves after hearing it used in the media.


Is this a 'racial thing'?

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 Post subject: Re: The knock out game
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In the UK it was not a racial thing , although in the UK we have "black on black" attacks were black youths from UK attacked immigrant black youths and in fact most knife attacks in the UK especially in London are done by blacks...........although you will never see this reported in the media, there does seem to be press blackout for anything that is not politically correct :roll:


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