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First of all -- keep it clean!
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Second:
You came home to hear your phone ringing as you were trying to get in the door with your arms full of groceries. You got the door open & dumped everything in time to hear your mother's voice on the machine. You ran into the bedroom and picked up. She talked your ear off for a good 45 minutes - and you'd already had a long day at work.
You decide to take a shower and freshen up. What you don't realize is that you've left your front door slightly ajar from when you entered in a rush.

You're halfway through shampooing your hair when the shower curtain is ripped open by a menacing looking character holding a knive.

There is a pause:

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what do you do?

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you're female, covered in soap, standing in a slick tub. On the little shelves around you are:
shampoo & condition bottles
a can of shaving cream
a saftey razor
a bar of soap
a luffa
a pumice stone
a rubber ducky
a wash cloth
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I would hit him first, but most people will grab the Shaving cream....

1. It's a metal can, not plastic.

2. Even without shaking the can, it will expel the aresol in the can.

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Scream at the top of my lungs, spit in his face, try to bring the shower curtain (which, Dana, Image I notice you never listed) down over him and the knife, then point the shower head in his direction (mine's detachable) and crank up the hot water full blast. Then I would reach for anything and everything I could throw or spray at him.
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a can of shaving cream
In my house, it's three cans or more of almost empty shaving cream cans. Image

I would like to think that I'd start throwing anything I could get my hands on at him. I'd rip the shower head off (It's an attachment to the bath faucets, not a traditional shower head) and use it like a whip. If I could rip down the shower curtain, use the pole it's hung on, etc.

Also like to add, the rushing to get the phone...that's one reason to buy a cordless phone. You can go back and lock the door after you grab the phone.
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I have to say shaving cream or no, facing an opponent armed with a knife when you;re cornered in a small space is super bad even when you're not nude, superterrified, perhaps half blind without eyeglasses or because of soap and water, and standing on a slippery surface surrounded by hard and often sharp counters and toilets and floors to fall on.

If there is ANY chance this guy wants your money and not your life, it'd be wise to explore the compliance route--but if you think death or serious harm is likely, you're likely hosed and it would be nice to have something cut resistant on an arm to eat a slash or two while you try to make a break for the door, and if possible some means of depriving him of vision with some thrown or sprayed item directed at the face.

Again, I think if I wanted to, I could filet almost anyone who was trying to spray me with some bath product, even if I closed my eyes early on.
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I would assume that if some guy was just after my money, he'd make a snatch and grab. Meaning, he wouldn't come into the shower while I was in there, he'd use that time (and listen to the water running) to rummage around the house grabbing anything of value he could find.

If he came into the shower with a knife, I would take it for more sinister intentions than just property.
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Honestly this is probably the most impossible situationt to get out of i could imagine , no balance , no movement , no practical weapons , no surprise , basically the options are to go beserk and hopefully overwhelm before they register or try deception , play submissive and then go beserk when there guards a bt lower (dont fancy the chances of either working against anyone competent .
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Ah - but there is one element of surprise.

You're a woman. Women are not expect to "go berzerk" on their attackers. They're expected to stand there and scream or faint the way they do in "B" horror movies.

So let's say you beat the impossible odds and knock the guy out. Shoud you try restrain him? Restrain is very difficult. Expecially if you don't happen to own hand-cuffs, or don't know how to tie knots.

Most single women living alone will not have much on hand to use -- extension cords, phone cords.

Or should you just leave and go to another's home and call the police and stay there. He could wake up, go attack another, or run away. You'll probably never find him and he'll be out there waiting to attack again.

We'd like to think that the police response time will be in under 10 minutes - but that is not always possible.

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LEAVE ASAP! However, give him an extra injury in passing so as to identify him at the nearest Emergency department.
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Ever notice in "B" movies how the heroine makes a spectacular move, momentarily stunning the bad guy, then instead of picking up the gun/knife/rolling pin, or hitting him over the head with the nearest heavy object, she runs to the nearest door, only to find it locked. Then turns slowly to see the revived BG coming at her .... hmmmm.... Why doesn't she just shoot/stab/tenderize the SOB, then make her call or leave.

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I Love those movies, I get off my chair and spill my beer. It seems to trigger the same reaction as when your favorite hockey team (Montreal Canadians for all us Canadians of course Image) miss an open net shot.
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If your first notice that soemone is there is the curtain whipping open:

1. You will flinch, crouch, hands will come up and you will / (may) vocalize / scream.

If you allow someone you trust to do this to you in the ordinary places like your kitchen and your living room and you respond this way - why will you respond better in the shdower! ?

2. Therefore, any move you make must be based on being in scared and flinching mode. Did you fall down? Yes, then... No, then...

3. Now, whenther or not it happens this way, once you start to react it must be based on it happening this way: that after you flinch, he will start to move. This means that he is moving to control you while you are moving to get the shaving cream (if you can even thnk of it!) so as your hand gets the can, he either has the knife in you or is pushing, pulling or hitting you. Not good, as a friend of mine says. (His movement is said to be in "positive timing", while yours is in "negative timing.")

Your only defense is in immediate first move offense - and you have two choices: strike his weapon arm or go for the eyes or throat.

If you go for the eyes or throat and he is starting to stab, there will be a double kill, both hitting about the same time, so you will lose.

There are only two ways to attack the weapon arm with hopes of success in such a situation; the strike to the arm must be forceful and then bounce into the throat with no time gap. ("Tut-tut," as Musashi would say.) OR: hit the arm at the same time as the other hand hits the eyes or the throat.

Any other action opens you to the dangers of negative timing or of fighting defensively which, in this situation, you will probably lose.

Since we are thoughtful and practicing martial artists, we can train our flinch response in various ways:since the hands will naturally come up as you flinch, this can be trained to become a pre-emptive strike...every flich includes a strike. This is dangerous for your trusted partners who are startling you for practice so here is how my wife and I did it years ago when she was in danger from her ex.

We painted scowly faces on a baloon and tied it up by thread to a thumb tack in the ceiling. Then we'd randomly hide the baloon around the house - if you walked around a corner, it would be in your face and your first move was a targeted eye strike (the reason for drawing on the eyes). This actually worked for a long time until we desensitized to the surprise and it became eye-hand coordination rather than a stress reaction when we had no eye-hand coordination.

Now I feel I must make the claim that may get me flamed: ONLY by scenario training in as realistic a method as possible will you prepare for this type of scare - dojo training will NEVER do it. Either that or shower clothed with a weapon in your hand.

Cleuseau had the right idea having Kato randomly attack him - a brilliant martial arts training tool decades ahead of its time.

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If a woman has an element of surprise in going berserk on her opponent, he's got A ELEMENT OF SURPRISE and then some in having placed a person who's in the process of relaxing in a moment of complete vulnerability while he has already armed himself and put himself in a fighting mindset.

She's kinda not going to win this fight unless a deity intervenes.

I agree the odds are low that he'd come into the shower in an attempt to rob her unless he wants a tour of the valuables. Unless this guy is just a crazed psycho looking for someone to kill, however, he wants something from her, and that means this is probably about sexual assault.

That puts our heroine in the terrible position of choosing combat in the worst of circumstances with a high likelihood of serious injury or death OR submitting to a sexual assault with a possibility she'll be killed anyway.

The third option, already discussed, is pretending to submit hoping for a change of venue that provides more options.

That terrible decision is probably better left to another thread.
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She can't let it get to that point. Letting him get started on whatever sick plans he has is a secondary crime scene and by now she's beaten, tied up, and he's sawed off her left arm. The submission ploy can only work for a few seconds before she takes those few shots with the hilt of the knife across her cheek and doesn't know where she is.

So my plan is a BRIEF performance to let him think I'm going along with anything he say's and then in a matter of seconds go for the kill shot and either kill him or run. I don't know though, pretty bad situation and maybe the best we could hope for is to scratch him so they can ID him via DNA for homicide.
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Alfred Hitchcock once figured out what happens to women in showersapproached by men with knives.

I say she's dead meat and all she can do is get in as many Hail Marys as possible before he turns her lights out. And if she's not religeous she can try something like "f u ..."

Sorry I couldn't have been more helpful, but in your rules you state that "you're female..." and somehow I couldn't go there.

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