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How many women out there condition their bodis and how?
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Welcome to the Forum PK. Are you referring to toughening or actual exercise of the body?
Vicki
Vicki
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Toughening
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Dana Sheets
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I'm a big advocate of light/stead conditioning. And over time, "light" gets redefined. At no point is bruising appropriate - bruising is the damaging of tissue, not the building of tissue.
I also do some iron palm work on mung bean bags using dit da jaw before and after.
Dana
I also do some iron palm work on mung bean bags using dit da jaw before and after.
Dana
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Dana, is this conditioning in addition to kotikitae to the arms and legs?
Bill also has us using a rolling pin, rolling vigorously from our knee to our toes for a minute or more on each leg prior to kotikitae. He swears by this...stating that it keeps the bruising down and readies the legs for accepting contact.
Do you condition your toes for pointed toe kicks in any way or you shokens?
At camp, I asked Buzz Durkin what he suggests for conditioning the pointed toe. He suggests mounting a half tire to the wall and kicking on it to toughen the toe, gradually of course, until the toe gets used to it. I have seen this before. Never done it though.
Any thoughts?
Vicki
Bill also has us using a rolling pin, rolling vigorously from our knee to our toes for a minute or more on each leg prior to kotikitae. He swears by this...stating that it keeps the bruising down and readies the legs for accepting contact.
Do you condition your toes for pointed toe kicks in any way or you shokens?
At camp, I asked Buzz Durkin what he suggests for conditioning the pointed toe. He suggests mounting a half tire to the wall and kicking on it to toughen the toe, gradually of course, until the toe gets used to it. I have seen this before. Never done it though.
Any thoughts?
Vicki
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Dana Sheets
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Vicki,
I also do regular arm & leg poudning. I also have a softball bat wrapped in cotton rope I use on my legs at home and a wooden club wrapped in cotton rope I use on my arms at home.
My experience was that I needed to do condition at least 5 days a week at the beginning of my training for it to start to take hold. Now I can maintain my conditioning working only 3 days a week on it.
I don't try to condition to the point that nothing would ever hurt me. You can over-condition and when you do that you start to lose range of motion, speed, flexibility, typing ability ext.
I dont want my body to be as hard as a rock. I want to have the supple muscles of a cat that can go from soft to steel in nothing flat.
Here's something to try if you've got a cat. When they're relatively chill, gently squeeze their leg until you can feel the bone. The muscles are very relaxed & soft & supple and are easily squeezed without pain. But nobody ever thinks a cat to be weak. That's the kind of muscle development I'm hoping for.
Dana
I also do regular arm & leg poudning. I also have a softball bat wrapped in cotton rope I use on my legs at home and a wooden club wrapped in cotton rope I use on my arms at home.
My experience was that I needed to do condition at least 5 days a week at the beginning of my training for it to start to take hold. Now I can maintain my conditioning working only 3 days a week on it.
I don't try to condition to the point that nothing would ever hurt me. You can over-condition and when you do that you start to lose range of motion, speed, flexibility, typing ability ext.
I dont want my body to be as hard as a rock. I want to have the supple muscles of a cat that can go from soft to steel in nothing flat.
Here's something to try if you've got a cat. When they're relatively chill, gently squeeze their leg until you can feel the bone. The muscles are very relaxed & soft & supple and are easily squeezed without pain. But nobody ever thinks a cat to be weak. That's the kind of muscle development I'm hoping for.
Dana
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Dana Sheets
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ps.
My toes are relatively unconditioned at this point to me -- but still good enough for belly kicks & kicks on the bag. When I remember to I toe kick one of the cat's wodden cubbies covered in carpet around the office a couple times a week.
I'm not overly into the toe conditioning just as I'm not overly into finger-tip conditioning. I just don't want to lose any sensitivity or flexibility.
Dana
My toes are relatively unconditioned at this point to me -- but still good enough for belly kicks & kicks on the bag. When I remember to I toe kick one of the cat's wodden cubbies covered in carpet around the office a couple times a week.
I'm not overly into the toe conditioning just as I'm not overly into finger-tip conditioning. I just don't want to lose any sensitivity or flexibility.
Dana
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I asked the question I guess I should Join in the conversation. The reason I asked is that a lot of men put emphasis on knuckle conditioning. In a real world situation In will take the bruises on the rest of my body. Due to previous altercations I already have boxers breaks on both hands. This was before learning martial arts. Although I Have to admit that the use of force has drastically decreased. I have learned not to put myself in those predicaments. Another reason that i asked is that my sensei does not condone body conditioning for women. He used to do orthapedic medical sales and has seen where our bodies and bone makeup are different than mens. We do not heal the same and are looking at doing permanent damage to our bodies. I want to practice martial arts the rest of my life . How about you?
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uechiwoman
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pkonbanwa,
Besides knuckle conditioning, what do consider body conditioning to be?
I have found that through doing Uechi-ryu exercises such as arm rubbing (two partners face each other and start a right punch towards the other person's ear...the outside of both of the right arms make contact on the way out and the inside back on the way in...you turn your wrist over) and arm and leg pounding that I don't bruise and that my muscles are lean, solid and strong. I started out going very lightly and as the muscles got stronger I increased the intensity bit by bit. (I think there are videos on the Uechi-ryu site of these exercises.) I have been doing this type of conditioning consistently for seven years and have had no loss of mobility or sensitivity. I think it is important to condition MUSCLE, especially if you spar or practice medium to hard contact drills.
I do NOT believe in conditioning bone, as it is easy to go too far too fast and end up with serious damage. As far as I know most Uechi-ryu teachers do not encourage knuckle conditioning. It is important to have a strong wrist, but there are many ways to train that without damage to the knuckles.
Muscle makeup is different in men and women in that men have more of it pound for pound. Women's bone structure also tends to be smaller than most mens. Women tend to bruise more easily from having less padding over the bone than most men. Medications and alcohol intake can also increase bruising. I have not seen a difference between men and women in their ability to heal from similar scale injuries.
I find that my conditioning of muscle has allowed me to train more often and with a satisfying level of intensity that I believe I can sustain for years to come. Conditioning is not something I am obsessive about. It is a small part of my workout that I find protects my body from damage.
-Heather
Besides knuckle conditioning, what do consider body conditioning to be?
I have found that through doing Uechi-ryu exercises such as arm rubbing (two partners face each other and start a right punch towards the other person's ear...the outside of both of the right arms make contact on the way out and the inside back on the way in...you turn your wrist over) and arm and leg pounding that I don't bruise and that my muscles are lean, solid and strong. I started out going very lightly and as the muscles got stronger I increased the intensity bit by bit. (I think there are videos on the Uechi-ryu site of these exercises.) I have been doing this type of conditioning consistently for seven years and have had no loss of mobility or sensitivity. I think it is important to condition MUSCLE, especially if you spar or practice medium to hard contact drills.
I do NOT believe in conditioning bone, as it is easy to go too far too fast and end up with serious damage. As far as I know most Uechi-ryu teachers do not encourage knuckle conditioning. It is important to have a strong wrist, but there are many ways to train that without damage to the knuckles.
Muscle makeup is different in men and women in that men have more of it pound for pound. Women's bone structure also tends to be smaller than most mens. Women tend to bruise more easily from having less padding over the bone than most men. Medications and alcohol intake can also increase bruising. I have not seen a difference between men and women in their ability to heal from similar scale injuries.
I find that my conditioning of muscle has allowed me to train more often and with a satisfying level of intensity that I believe I can sustain for years to come. Conditioning is not something I am obsessive about. It is a small part of my workout that I find protects my body from damage.
-Heather
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For further information on body conditioning there are a few articles posted on ths web site that you may wish to consult.
They are:
1) http://uechi-ryu.com/bugeisha1.pdf
George Mattson wrote an article on kotekitae
2) http://uechi-ryu.com/chaplin.htm
George Chaplin wrote an article on the problmes re: excessive conditioning and gave some spectulation re: body toughening cause and effect.
3) http://home.attbi.com/~uechiryu/
I and two others wrote an extensive article that provides a compendium of Okinawan Iron Body Conditioning drills and a comprehensive analysis of Sanchin Shime.
All the best,
Mike DeDonato
They are:
1) http://uechi-ryu.com/bugeisha1.pdf
George Mattson wrote an article on kotekitae
2) http://uechi-ryu.com/chaplin.htm
George Chaplin wrote an article on the problmes re: excessive conditioning and gave some spectulation re: body toughening cause and effect.
3) http://home.attbi.com/~uechiryu/
I and two others wrote an extensive article that provides a compendium of Okinawan Iron Body Conditioning drills and a comprehensive analysis of Sanchin Shime.
All the best,
Mike DeDonato
