Scott and Gary,
What about approaching it from the other end? What about having a non-profit event sponsored by nobody imparticular, held on nuetral territory(not a dojo), open to all comers? Just remove all the political and financial issues from the table, right off the bat.
This would bring the brothers and sisters of Uechi together regardless of the bickering of seniors. If seniors are mature enough to show up, well good for them! If not, what the hell, we learn from DOING more than anything else anyway.....
Just a thought, probably no more practical than your approach.....
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Billy B - I believe that is what last Saturday's tournament was all about! Neutral territory, non-profit, open to all, etc.
On the plus side, next year's tournament should see more participation at the black belt level. Last year there were tons of green belts. This year they were all brown belts (around 20 in the kata competition and 12 in men's kumite). Perhaps, next year they'll be black belts!
On the plus side, next year's tournament should see more participation at the black belt level. Last year there were tons of green belts. This year they were all brown belts (around 20 in the kata competition and 12 in men's kumite). Perhaps, next year they'll be black belts!
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Billy B,
I believe Steve is correct in that last weeks tounament was about that. Open to all. Being on the "back end" of Rich Baptista's New England Nationals was not a proffit making gathering contrary to the beliefs of some that George Mattson
somehow reaks a big $$$ take from it.
The trophy's supplied by Rich Baptista are not cheap as there are 4 to all divisions. Not to mention overhead expences past on to the "organizer" of the uechi event.
I assure you, there was no "Big bucks" made here, regardless of what some others may believe. There were no "sponsors" to the event, no merchandise sold, and an additional cost of hiring in a "official" team for sparring. Some are miss "informed" as to this.
Regardless, in this upcomming Sept. Many Neves will be hosting a tournament in Lynn. I am sure more info will be posted in the upcoming months. I hope that many N.A.C and other groups will partake in the event as i feel here is an opportunity for all to show there real colors.
I have gotten a little verbal regarding the uechi events and hope that it will fall on some ears that will associate more with others.
Billy B., regarding an event that "no-one" runs or is in charge of, We can try to work together, however, someone always has to "host" or "sponser" an event. They do not just happen. However, asking seniors to try and work together in support is all we can really do.
So what if John makes a few bucks this time and Paul next and Gerry next (just names). They put in the work and effort to organize and structure the gathering.
Everyone pays a fair price to partake in the "events" and that's that !
People are making to much out of the fact the "someone" may make a dollar and it isn't ME !
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I believe Steve is correct in that last weeks tounament was about that. Open to all. Being on the "back end" of Rich Baptista's New England Nationals was not a proffit making gathering contrary to the beliefs of some that George Mattson
somehow reaks a big $$$ take from it.
The trophy's supplied by Rich Baptista are not cheap as there are 4 to all divisions. Not to mention overhead expences past on to the "organizer" of the uechi event.
I assure you, there was no "Big bucks" made here, regardless of what some others may believe. There were no "sponsors" to the event, no merchandise sold, and an additional cost of hiring in a "official" team for sparring. Some are miss "informed" as to this.
Regardless, in this upcomming Sept. Many Neves will be hosting a tournament in Lynn. I am sure more info will be posted in the upcoming months. I hope that many N.A.C and other groups will partake in the event as i feel here is an opportunity for all to show there real colors.
I have gotten a little verbal regarding the uechi events and hope that it will fall on some ears that will associate more with others.
Billy B., regarding an event that "no-one" runs or is in charge of, We can try to work together, however, someone always has to "host" or "sponser" an event. They do not just happen. However, asking seniors to try and work together in support is all we can really do.
So what if John makes a few bucks this time and Paul next and Gerry next (just names). They put in the work and effort to organize and structure the gathering.
Everyone pays a fair price to partake in the "events" and that's that !
People are making to much out of the fact the "someone" may make a dollar and it isn't ME !
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Why not make public to all Uechi people?Who are the leaders of all the factions of Uechi you give reference?Are Sensei Thompson,Mattson,Gushi,Dollar,and who knows how many other great instructors,working against one another?Tell us little guys who stands where and why?Thank you.
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Gary,
I hope you did not misinterpret my comment about promoters and "$$$$". What I meant was, the responsibility for drawing participants lies with the people who are running and promoting the event.
However, I do not beleive there is no money to be made, or that no money has been made. I also am not against promoters making money. As you state, they do have to work hard, and should expect some compensation.
My point was that to blame the Senseis of those who for whatever PERSONAL reasons chose not to "be supportive" is wrong! It may also be taken as an insult, as evidenced by a few Sensei's responses above. Senseis may have influence, but is it their responsibility to use that influence to get their students to go to an event? I don't think so. That is a personal choice the teacher has to make. Obviously many teachers do not agree with you about the positive effects of this particular event.
The question is, why did so many teachers choose not to support this event, isn't it?
You may not want to get into this discussion, and I can understand why. Why then, would you bring it up? What were your motivations?
If your motivation was to get the brothers and sisters of Uechi to come together, then I agree with the spirit of you post! Possibly I was reading between the lines, inapropriatly. I hope so.
I hope you did not misinterpret my comment about promoters and "$$$$". What I meant was, the responsibility for drawing participants lies with the people who are running and promoting the event.
However, I do not beleive there is no money to be made, or that no money has been made. I also am not against promoters making money. As you state, they do have to work hard, and should expect some compensation.
My point was that to blame the Senseis of those who for whatever PERSONAL reasons chose not to "be supportive" is wrong! It may also be taken as an insult, as evidenced by a few Sensei's responses above. Senseis may have influence, but is it their responsibility to use that influence to get their students to go to an event? I don't think so. That is a personal choice the teacher has to make. Obviously many teachers do not agree with you about the positive effects of this particular event.
The question is, why did so many teachers choose not to support this event, isn't it?
You may not want to get into this discussion, and I can understand why. Why then, would you bring it up? What were your motivations?
If your motivation was to get the brothers and sisters of Uechi to come together, then I agree with the spirit of you post! Possibly I was reading between the lines, inapropriatly. I hope so.
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T. Moore,
You stated:
"Why not make public to all Uechi people who are the leaders of all the factions of uechi you give reference ?"
I do not feel that it is appropriate to do so. Therefore i will not.
Billy B.
You stated:
"If your motivation was to get the brothers and sisters of Uechi to come together, then i agree with the spirit of your post!"
That was my intent. Everything else just followed. I intend to slander no-one or put blame on any particular people. Only to "suggest" that we my all start trying to come together a little, regardless of whom we are affiliated to.
Enjoy the holiday !
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Gary S.
You stated:
"Why not make public to all Uechi people who are the leaders of all the factions of uechi you give reference ?"
I do not feel that it is appropriate to do so. Therefore i will not.
Billy B.
You stated:
"If your motivation was to get the brothers and sisters of Uechi to come together, then i agree with the spirit of your post!"
That was my intent. Everything else just followed. I intend to slander no-one or put blame on any particular people. Only to "suggest" that we my all start trying to come together a little, regardless of whom we are affiliated to.
Enjoy the holiday !
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Gary,
Ok, good enough freind. I hope to meet you soon. Enjoy your weekend as well.
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Ok, good enough freind. I hope to meet you soon. Enjoy your weekend as well.
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I have been a frequent competitor in Mattson Sensei’s annual competition for as long as I have been studying Uechi in the U.S.A. and would not miss it for anything.
I see this event as a great opportunity to gain experience, at the same time as giving something back to a great organization that has given me so much.
I am honored to support this event, and compete alongside some of the best karatekas in the world, and to suggest that by not competing against Gary Khoury, shows him “respect and admiration”, in my opinion is as far from the truth as you could get. I am sure that the only “respect and admiration” that he is going to show you, is if you were to face him head on.
I am not sure that people do not compete because of pressure from their seniors, people have a whole ****load of reasons for not competing…
Sprained ankle
Tennis elbow
Have to work
Have to baby-sit
Don’t have anything to prove
They need officials to help out
Fifty bucks?
Have nowhere to put that huge trophy
I understand that some of these reasons are genuine, but how come they never affect the same faces that we see competing every year?
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I see this event as a great opportunity to gain experience, at the same time as giving something back to a great organization that has given me so much.
I am honored to support this event, and compete alongside some of the best karatekas in the world, and to suggest that by not competing against Gary Khoury, shows him “respect and admiration”, in my opinion is as far from the truth as you could get. I am sure that the only “respect and admiration” that he is going to show you, is if you were to face him head on.
I am not sure that people do not compete because of pressure from their seniors, people have a whole ****load of reasons for not competing…
Sprained ankle
Tennis elbow
Have to work
Have to baby-sit
Don’t have anything to prove
They need officials to help out
Fifty bucks?
Have nowhere to put that huge trophy
I understand that some of these reasons are genuine, but how come they never affect the same faces that we see competing every year?
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Fedele,
I appreciate what you are you saying.
Certainly there are many reasons that many do not compete or help out in not only the "Uechi Tournament" but in other events also.
I also agree that it can be expensive for some, and also in some lines of work, many are not availble.Yes, while you do see that same faces every year competing and you give good reasons for your participation, there are large numbers of uechi practicioers in New England that would not consider going to any event outside of their own organizational structure.
Beilieve it, Sensei's do have influence on their students regardless to what some claim that all make their own decissions what they do.
It is called. "power of suggestion"
hey guys, many of you should try to attend _____ that is comming up. It may be a good experience for you and you might make some new friends. That is "influence". On the other hand, no mention of any event or a projection that "I will not be going, you can if you want it's up to you, etc. has a slightly different tone. Don't you think ?
As far as a "place to put the Trophy" yes i know, they become "dust collectors" after awhile. Of course they are nice to look at but when you start collecting them as you have, they do present a "display" problem. (smile)
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Gary S.
I appreciate what you are you saying.
Certainly there are many reasons that many do not compete or help out in not only the "Uechi Tournament" but in other events also.
I also agree that it can be expensive for some, and also in some lines of work, many are not availble.Yes, while you do see that same faces every year competing and you give good reasons for your participation, there are large numbers of uechi practicioers in New England that would not consider going to any event outside of their own organizational structure.
Beilieve it, Sensei's do have influence on their students regardless to what some claim that all make their own decissions what they do.
It is called. "power of suggestion"
hey guys, many of you should try to attend _____ that is comming up. It may be a good experience for you and you might make some new friends. That is "influence". On the other hand, no mention of any event or a projection that "I will not be going, you can if you want it's up to you, etc. has a slightly different tone. Don't you think ?
As far as a "place to put the Trophy" yes i know, they become "dust collectors" after awhile. Of course they are nice to look at but when you start collecting them as you have, they do present a "display" problem. (smile)
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Bill-Sensei
You wrote: What??? People don't compete in HW BB because they "respect" Gary too much? Maybe us old farts will have to come out of retirement to give Gary some fresh meat to chew on. I guess I'll have to grab my cane and go visit Raffi The Grecian Guy D. for a conference.
Let me put it another way!
If it was not "respect" and "admiration" for a previous champion, then what was it that stopped the heavyweight blackbelts from competing in this tournament?
Why was Joe Pomphret (a previous champion himself...1995 I think) the only one to challange Gary Khoury?
Training for competitions maybe?
It is well known that Gary trains for these events, as is evident by his forum on tournaments, and his constant success at them.
Did any other heavyweight blackbelt student train in tournament fighting as hard as Gary has been (other than Joe)?
I hope that it was not FEAR of losing that kept them away.
I think that all things considered, the rigorus training needed to defeat a champion, could not be achieved by these challengers and therefore, the "respect" and "admiration" for Gary's work ethics to prepare himself was an underlying factor in their decision to challenge him.
No disrespect to any possible challengers and or Gary is intended here, but the fact that there was only one challenger speaks for itself.
You wrote: What??? People don't compete in HW BB because they "respect" Gary too much? Maybe us old farts will have to come out of retirement to give Gary some fresh meat to chew on. I guess I'll have to grab my cane and go visit Raffi The Grecian Guy D. for a conference.
Let me put it another way!
If it was not "respect" and "admiration" for a previous champion, then what was it that stopped the heavyweight blackbelts from competing in this tournament?
Why was Joe Pomphret (a previous champion himself...1995 I think) the only one to challange Gary Khoury?
Training for competitions maybe?
It is well known that Gary trains for these events, as is evident by his forum on tournaments, and his constant success at them.
Did any other heavyweight blackbelt student train in tournament fighting as hard as Gary has been (other than Joe)?
I hope that it was not FEAR of losing that kept them away.
I think that all things considered, the rigorus training needed to defeat a champion, could not be achieved by these challengers and therefore, the "respect" and "admiration" for Gary's work ethics to prepare himself was an underlying factor in their decision to challenge him.
No disrespect to any possible challengers and or Gary is intended here, but the fact that there was only one challenger speaks for itself.
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Fedele:
The same people who compete each year do so because they WANT to. Some need to compete to see if their training was "worth the effort". They only measure success in terms of winning and losing.
Playing sporting games (such as baseball, hockey, etc.) have enough winning and losing for me. I do not need to get hurt trying to justfy my karate training.
I mean no disrespect to you or any competive martial artist. They and you obviously enjoy it or else would not do it. I know how hard you have trained and your training ethics are intense.
Other students learn MA, and train for these reasons:
1. Exercise and/or weight loss. To get into and maintain shape and good health.
2. Knowledge and Confidence of self-defense and defense of loved-ones that brings peace of mind in the real world.
3. Learning an Art
4. Protection in one's Job. LEO's, Security Work, etc.
5. Enhance ones strech, stamina, focus and concentration, discipline, for other sports related activity or job.
I am sure there are more reasons why people study the MA.
Competive tournament fighting is very low on the list.
The same people who compete each year do so because they WANT to. Some need to compete to see if their training was "worth the effort". They only measure success in terms of winning and losing.
Playing sporting games (such as baseball, hockey, etc.) have enough winning and losing for me. I do not need to get hurt trying to justfy my karate training.
I mean no disrespect to you or any competive martial artist. They and you obviously enjoy it or else would not do it. I know how hard you have trained and your training ethics are intense.
Other students learn MA, and train for these reasons:
1. Exercise and/or weight loss. To get into and maintain shape and good health.
2. Knowledge and Confidence of self-defense and defense of loved-ones that brings peace of mind in the real world.
3. Learning an Art
4. Protection in one's Job. LEO's, Security Work, etc.
5. Enhance ones strech, stamina, focus and concentration, discipline, for other sports related activity or job.
I am sure there are more reasons why people study the MA.
Competive tournament fighting is very low on the list.
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Lenny,
Please note that my post was in regards to "Uechi Events" not limited to the "Uechi Championships". However, you and Fedele tend to focus on that one event.
O.K. so the possibility of injury may keep you from competing along with others. No need to feel competetive,etc.etc.
Please note that my post was in regards to "Uechi Events" not limited to the "Uechi Championships". However, you and Fedele tend to focus on that one event.
O.K. so the possibility of injury may keep you from competing along with others. No need to feel competetive,etc.etc.
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First I would like to thank Lenny for replying to my post.
I have no quips toward anyone who doses not compete; competing is certainly not for everyone, I know of many a good M.A.ist that has no interest in competing.
Competing, weather you enjoy it or not is a lot of work, please don’t undermine competitors by suggesting that, “they only measure success in terms of winning and losing.”
If your interpretation of people not competing against Gary K. is correct, then am I to presume that I have no respect or admiration for the likes of Bobby Spoon, Steve Perry, Chip Q. or Gerry because I competed against them? Or maybe you don’t see the threat as great because they are several inches shorter?
I understand that you do not want to risk injury by competing against top fighters when it could be so easily avoided, but it is a controlled environment, sure there is the risk of injury but so is there in the Do-Jo, do you not test yourself in the Do-Jo?
One of the reasons that you give for your training is…“Knowledge and Confidence of self-defense and defense of loved-ones that brings peace of mind in the real world.” God forbid, if you have to use your M.A. skills to protect a loved one and you try something that doesn’t go as you expect it to under the “chemical cocktail,” you may not get another chance to correct your error. By competing under such challenging conditions it gives you a sense of reality, and a second chance to reconsider your strategy.
Good luck with your “sporting games” in the “real world.”
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Respectfully Fedele
I have no quips toward anyone who doses not compete; competing is certainly not for everyone, I know of many a good M.A.ist that has no interest in competing.
Competing, weather you enjoy it or not is a lot of work, please don’t undermine competitors by suggesting that, “they only measure success in terms of winning and losing.”
If your interpretation of people not competing against Gary K. is correct, then am I to presume that I have no respect or admiration for the likes of Bobby Spoon, Steve Perry, Chip Q. or Gerry because I competed against them? Or maybe you don’t see the threat as great because they are several inches shorter?
I understand that you do not want to risk injury by competing against top fighters when it could be so easily avoided, but it is a controlled environment, sure there is the risk of injury but so is there in the Do-Jo, do you not test yourself in the Do-Jo?
One of the reasons that you give for your training is…“Knowledge and Confidence of self-defense and defense of loved-ones that brings peace of mind in the real world.” God forbid, if you have to use your M.A. skills to protect a loved one and you try something that doesn’t go as you expect it to under the “chemical cocktail,” you may not get another chance to correct your error. By competing under such challenging conditions it gives you a sense of reality, and a second chance to reconsider your strategy.
Good luck with your “sporting games” in the “real world.”
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Fedele:
You wrote,
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
There certainly is a risk of Injury in the dojo. Since opening my dojo until last Thursday, I have not had more than regular aches and pains, mostly from the TC workouts
, and one nagging left elbow joint injury that has since gone away due to the "glucosamine sulfate" in the Structural Lubrication formula I am taking.
But during my knife drill that night, I injured my right instep and I am just now able to put my shoe on comfortably. Yes I do test myself in the dojo. But there is no winner and there is no loser. I am not against other 45 year old and above people fighting in tournaments, but it is not for me. I want to use my training for real situations if needed. Even with some nagging little dojo injuries, (I am furiated about now having to defend myself while hurt) I know I am less than 100%, which is not how I care to be at any given time. When I am injured It effects my regular job, my teaching/guiding of Uechi-ryu and my "games of sport" on the weekend.
When it comes to fighting in a tournament, and defending ones self from uncaring people, different techniques will be used. Sanseiryu is a fabulous kata. There are many fighting techniques in this kata that are BANNED from competition. These are the techniques that I study. These are the techniques I would use to eliminate a possible threat to my or my loved ones well being. Why would I want to go toe to toe with someone and use less than I was studying and risk the same or more injury than in the dojo.
To equate this with a sporting event (I just love sports) consider this:
An NFL football player who practices and plays his game all the time. He just come off of a remarkable rookie season and ends up in Hawaii at the pro bowl. During a "game" (substitute tournament) of flag tag football he injures his leg in what could be a career ending injury. What did he have to prove, in playing that game. Did it mean so much to play at a lower level than he was accustomed to (no hard blocks and tackles) that he allowed himself to drop down a level just above negligence. Of course this was not a "real game" (substitute confrontation) where he would have been expecting that his "livelyhood" (substiutute life)depended on the outcome.
you also wrote <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
)You all are excellant fighters and I am glad that you are on my side and I dont have to meet up against you in a dark alley.
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In every competition that I ever trained for, I was allowed to play at or above the level of that which I have practiced. This is the only level of competition that interests me. Any other level of competion is like a sofball game compared to a baseball game. (Now the softball fans will be all over me.)But softball is very competitive too, except that it is baseball with less field, and more players. But, competing IS winning and losing. Why else compete? During the tournaments I have been in, IF we lost, and we lost more championships than we won, we were deemed UNSUCCESSFUL, no matter how hard we practiced or trained before we went.
You wrote,
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I understand that you do not want to risk injury by competing against top fighters when it could be so easily avoided, but it is a controlled environment, sure there is the risk of injury but so is there in the Do-Jo, do you not test yourself in the Do-Jo?
There certainly is a risk of Injury in the dojo. Since opening my dojo until last Thursday, I have not had more than regular aches and pains, mostly from the TC workouts
, and one nagging left elbow joint injury that has since gone away due to the "glucosamine sulfate" in the Structural Lubrication formula I am taking.But during my knife drill that night, I injured my right instep and I am just now able to put my shoe on comfortably. Yes I do test myself in the dojo. But there is no winner and there is no loser. I am not against other 45 year old and above people fighting in tournaments, but it is not for me. I want to use my training for real situations if needed. Even with some nagging little dojo injuries, (I am furiated about now having to defend myself while hurt) I know I am less than 100%, which is not how I care to be at any given time. When I am injured It effects my regular job, my teaching/guiding of Uechi-ryu and my "games of sport" on the weekend.
When it comes to fighting in a tournament, and defending ones self from uncaring people, different techniques will be used. Sanseiryu is a fabulous kata. There are many fighting techniques in this kata that are BANNED from competition. These are the techniques that I study. These are the techniques I would use to eliminate a possible threat to my or my loved ones well being. Why would I want to go toe to toe with someone and use less than I was studying and risk the same or more injury than in the dojo.
To equate this with a sporting event (I just love sports) consider this:
An NFL football player who practices and plays his game all the time. He just come off of a remarkable rookie season and ends up in Hawaii at the pro bowl. During a "game" (substitute tournament) of flag tag football he injures his leg in what could be a career ending injury. What did he have to prove, in playing that game. Did it mean so much to play at a lower level than he was accustomed to (no hard blocks and tackles) that he allowed himself to drop down a level just above negligence. Of course this was not a "real game" (substitute confrontation) where he would have been expecting that his "livelyhood" (substiutute life)depended on the outcome.
you also wrote <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
I meant no disrespect for any of the people you mentioned or yourself for competing or from training the way they do. You were a champion yourself and I admire all champions who want to keep repeating. In no way do I undermine the lightweight division. (I would be there myself if I didn't love junk foodIf your interpretation of people not competing against Gary K. is correct, then am I to presume that I have no respect or admiration for the likes of Bobby Spoon, Steve Perry, Chip Q. or Gerry because I competed against them? Or maybe you don’t see the threat as great because they are several inches shorter?
)You all are excellant fighters and I am glad that you are on my side and I dont have to meet up against you in a dark alley. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
Yes I agree that it is a lot of work to train for competitions. I have seen you work out at the TC classes and I know you train very hard and are very talented.Competing, weather you enjoy it or not is a lot of work, please don’t undermine competitors by suggesting that, “they only measure success in terms of winning and losing.”
In every competition that I ever trained for, I was allowed to play at or above the level of that which I have practiced. This is the only level of competition that interests me. Any other level of competion is like a sofball game compared to a baseball game. (Now the softball fans will be all over me.
)But softball is very competitive too, except that it is baseball with less field, and more players. But, competing IS winning and losing. Why else compete? During the tournaments I have been in, IF we lost, and we lost more championships than we won, we were deemed UNSUCCESSFUL, no matter how hard we practiced or trained before we went.-
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Lenny,
You make your point. Competing is not for you ! That is fine. At 45 years of age i can appreciate that as i am 47 myself.
However,the experience for "others" may be good for them to perform in an unfamilier territory in front of unkown people. Performing kata in a tournament environment is somewhat different from the comforts of one own dojo.
To fight other opponents "unfamilier" to one will certainy test the abilty to perform under a different pressure.
No disrespect intended but, as you make reference to the utilization of advanced intricate movements from sansieru kata, think "not" that these guys Fedele mention would give you one "ounce" of space to even consider it.
I was there. Take downs, sweeps and follow up strikes done by these individuals picture perfect. If you blinked, you missed it !
Let not think the dojo practices of teaching and practicing with ones students have anywhere near the same intensity that these folks generated.
Controlled environment ? Yes. i will not debate the safety factor. But as Fedele mentions, it does bring one closer to the reality of the chemical cocktail.
Regarding non-competitors for "respect" ?
Surely there is "fear" for some to go against Gary K. and Jeo P.but do not think that Steve Perry or Bob Spoon or the others are any less to "fear". For they also will put one down abruptly.
Even the "B" divisions had some worthy apponents that many would have difficulty with. Although, i did not watch that division i know some of them are also tough individuals.
Due to lack of competitors, divisions are limited. Surely seniors like myself who are pushing 50 really don't go in with these young bucks and bang. Although now and then is fun. Also the weight class is light/heavy. 165lbs./ over (i believe)
I can appreciate how that also might effect competitors.
Although as i said, the focus here went to the "Uechi Tournament" which was "not" my intent. Let us not hide our lack of "social" content behind the tournment agenda.
"Regional workouts" are just that, "REGIONAL" for any and all in a geographical location. Regardless of affiliation. Summer camp is also for all.
Many have open door policy to visitors.
How man visit others ?
This is not directed to you "Lenny" but how many people do you know that have ever been outside their own dojo ?
I have met many talented people in the past two years. Instructors and students alike. I understand that it is not for "everyone" as many do have personal lives they are caught up in.
The once in awhile that an "event" arises that is "open" i go and feel a sence of gratification being a part of it. If others choose not to, that is their decission and their loss. To each there own.
I am only "suggesting" that people consider assiociating with others and "learn" other veiws and opinions of the art. Meanwhile, make a new friend or two.
Don't want new frinds ? Don't value other perspectives ? Fine, stay home !
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Gary S.
You make your point. Competing is not for you ! That is fine. At 45 years of age i can appreciate that as i am 47 myself.
However,the experience for "others" may be good for them to perform in an unfamilier territory in front of unkown people. Performing kata in a tournament environment is somewhat different from the comforts of one own dojo.
To fight other opponents "unfamilier" to one will certainy test the abilty to perform under a different pressure.
No disrespect intended but, as you make reference to the utilization of advanced intricate movements from sansieru kata, think "not" that these guys Fedele mention would give you one "ounce" of space to even consider it.
I was there. Take downs, sweeps and follow up strikes done by these individuals picture perfect. If you blinked, you missed it !
Let not think the dojo practices of teaching and practicing with ones students have anywhere near the same intensity that these folks generated.
Controlled environment ? Yes. i will not debate the safety factor. But as Fedele mentions, it does bring one closer to the reality of the chemical cocktail.
Regarding non-competitors for "respect" ?
Surely there is "fear" for some to go against Gary K. and Jeo P.but do not think that Steve Perry or Bob Spoon or the others are any less to "fear". For they also will put one down abruptly.
Even the "B" divisions had some worthy apponents that many would have difficulty with. Although, i did not watch that division i know some of them are also tough individuals.
Due to lack of competitors, divisions are limited. Surely seniors like myself who are pushing 50 really don't go in with these young bucks and bang. Although now and then is fun. Also the weight class is light/heavy. 165lbs./ over (i believe)
I can appreciate how that also might effect competitors.
Although as i said, the focus here went to the "Uechi Tournament" which was "not" my intent. Let us not hide our lack of "social" content behind the tournment agenda.
"Regional workouts" are just that, "REGIONAL" for any and all in a geographical location. Regardless of affiliation. Summer camp is also for all.
Many have open door policy to visitors.
How man visit others ?
This is not directed to you "Lenny" but how many people do you know that have ever been outside their own dojo ?
I have met many talented people in the past two years. Instructors and students alike. I understand that it is not for "everyone" as many do have personal lives they are caught up in.
The once in awhile that an "event" arises that is "open" i go and feel a sence of gratification being a part of it. If others choose not to, that is their decission and their loss. To each there own.
I am only "suggesting" that people consider assiociating with others and "learn" other veiws and opinions of the art. Meanwhile, make a new friend or two.
Don't want new frinds ? Don't value other perspectives ? Fine, stay home !
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Gary S.
