Changing the Kata II

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Would you not agree that if you have come up with "alternative" bunkai to the kata that we all practice,that these would be your "library of waza" should you be attacked?
Hmmm... that depends a lot on how you use your library. Image

When I was an undergrad intending to do graduate work in biomedical engineering, I had to take a lot of "killer" pre-med courses with other pre-med students. Now and then the classes were pretty worthless, and these students could do very well. But every once in a while, we'd hit a great course like Organic Chem or P-Chem. Now some (but not all) of the pre-med students would study by memorizing everything. Funny thing was, the test would be "different" than anything in the chapter or the notes. How could the instructor do that to them?? Meanwhile, I was the first to leave the classroom on test day and would ace the thing. Now...what did I do differently? Well for one, I just scanned the chapter. Then I would work every problem (EVERY problem) in the back of the chapter. It's getting down deep and dirty with the information where the real learning happens. Then I would review my notes - briefly. Did I spend much time memorizing things? No - the experience helped me assimilate everything I needed. More importantly, the teacher could come up with a new problem based on the same principles taught in the chapter, and I would be capable of dealing with it (and the rote memorizers would not).

I see a similar phenomenon in martial arts. There are those that spend lots of time memorizing lots of forms, and doing lots and lots of bunkai. But unless you play with the darned things, you never really "get" it. On judgement day, the bad guy is going to jump out of the bushes and do something very different than what your cooperative partner was doing all those years. Will you be able to respond? Only if you have internalized the underlying principles of movement (and/or you were a bit lucky).

A junior high student might go to the library and plagiarize large sections out of books and encyclopedias when writing a paper. A good researcher reads lots of material, assimilates, and then produces something that is a unique amalgam of what was read. Both people have the library, but only the latter individual knows how to use it.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>When one gets into the deeper phases of kata, one begins to understand, on a physiological level, below thought, how karate works. It becomes motion without thought, but never thoughtless motion.

IMHO, it is the attainment of this Mu-Shin mind state that allows us freedom from the chemical cocktail.

I'm not there yet, but, in a few street encounters, I have had flashes of it. Anybody else had this experience?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Life has treated me well (either that, or I am a very wise man... Image ). I've had few really scary encounters. But I have noted a sudden eerie calm come forth when the s*** hits the fan, even though I may be experiencing a classic symptom of "the chemical cocktail" (e.g. tachypsychia). Funny...all my psychological breakdowns happen when the event is over. I found that as long as I was engaged and doing something, that I was fine. Contemplating it later on proved to be the totally knee-rattling, fruit-o-the-loom-wetting experience.

Nature or nurture? Probably a bit of both. It's the nurture part that we all want to understand and "bottle."

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Bill, sharing wisdom on a Monday evening? Great analogies.

While I think we've shifted (subtly or not) from why kata changes, the issue of how much bunkai (variations) to study is a worthy issue.

Simply running dozens of techniques to run techniques (as running dozens of kata to run dozens of kata) will not necessarily guarantee you'll run them against an attack successfully.

But detailed (long term) study of applications and their variations will open the way for underlying principles, too.

The most important skill that I ascertain is to be able to sell any technique (bunkai or not) against the actual attack.

If we start with a movement (such as the opening of Seisan Kata, regardless of system involved) and first learn it against one attack, and then vary the entry of that attack (high, middle, low, kick), from the attackers right then left side, with straight entry, with angled entry, with angled retreat, with turning options, that study of application potential will begin to build confidence in one's ability to sell that tchinque regardless of the attack.

The positive mental attitude is most important.

Then taking that same motion, and looking at variations, and running them through the same matrix of attacking potentials, offers other insight.

Again, taking that same motion and now adding other logical responses to it against that same matrix of attacking potentials, further increasese insight.

On that god-forsaken day one is under attack, there will be some entry, a hand or a foot thrown out, a turn taken, a block/parry/strike given to open the defense/counter-attack/attack against uke.

If our awareness has gotten us that far, the positive attitude to sell our response(s) and finish the attacker (appropriately of coruse) is the goal. Picking and choosing a kata bunkai is not how one survives.

But having studied the original textbook, worked on the questions it presents, hopefully will give skill in choosing a response, too.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill Glasheen:
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On judgement day, the bad guy is going to jump out of the bushes and do something very different than what your cooperative partner was doing all those years. Will you be able to respond? Only if you have internalized the underlying principles of movement (and/or you were a bit lucky).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bill,
When I stated "Alternative Bunkai" I should have explained that it also requires "alternative attacks".
Whilst the attacks may come from the same general direction as the trad bunkai,instead of a straight gyaku tsuki...maybe a right cross....part of a kata might require the attacker to move towards you...this could be altered to a full on rush at you.
Many times in a street fight,the protaginist tends to think of themselves as Mike Tyson...they try to box you...don't laugh..I've seen people do it. Image
Jabs..crosses..rips to the ribs...uppercuts..they try 'em all.!!
If you try some alternative bunkai...taking into account these "non-karate" techniques..and with a less "cooperative" Uke...it makes for some very interesting results.
Traditional bunkai is great for pulling individual techniques from the kata...but they really only work against a willing Uke.
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"Backwards speaking, teach you I will...hmmmmMMMmmm!"

(Couldn't resist)

Lee Darrow, C.Ht.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kusanku:
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'Hmmm. Neeed those, you do not.Go I must.:-)'

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Golly, looks like the big editor in the sky stole one...but Lee's response saved the Kodak moment. Image

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Many times in a street fight,the protaginist tends to think of themselves as Mike Tyson...they try to box you...don't laugh..I've seen people do it. Jabs..crosses..rips to the ribs...uppercuts..they try 'em all.!!
If you try some alternative bunkai...taking into account these "non-karate" techniques..and with a less "cooperative" Uke...it makes for some very interesting results.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The very first kata I ever learned was - I find out later - a very old form of unknown origin in Japan/Okinawa. It was the first form of the teisha series. My friend Bill Stockey, who still practices many of these old forms I was exposed to, gave me a CD with many of these still on them. Anyhow...the form starts with two classic karate knife-hand "techniques," done one to each diagonal. I hate to use that "block" or "attack" word; it just doesn't make it for me any more. Anyhow, this CD Bill gave me also shows some very old footage of Japanese from somewhere showing "applications" of these knife hand motions against lunge punch 101. Oye!!! No wonder so many people abandoned kata training! Then one day my friend Evan showed me the "triple warmer" at the base of the ear, and I learned of its western physiologic significance from Bruce Miller. Ahhh...it was an attack all along! Then...I learned about "reflex points" from Bruce Miller, and noted that classic response you get when you whack a tendon (doctor hits patellar tendon with rubber hammer...). And of course there is that biceps tendon. And suddenly it dawned on me that it could be a block...er...attack...er...whatever, of the most common thing that an idiot would throw at you on the street (the haymaker or hook punch). It certainly was a lot more convincing than that silly motion against karate lunge punch 101. And then another Chinese form taught me (or shall we say the thought dawned on me one day) that turning directions in a form doesn't necessarily mean going to the next guy... Voila! Bad guy does Mike Tyson impersonation. First knife hand to the biceps tendon of the haymaker, grab, second to the triple warmer. Out go the lights...

And then I realized that this very first few moves of the very first form I ever learned taught me more about defending against Joe Redneck than against the improbable lunge from the classically trained (a pejorative here...) karateka that I'd never face on the street anyhow. Imagine that!

You see...all along we should have dispensed with the lunge punch s%$# and hired a few of the half-drunk jokers in the downstairs bar to work with... Image

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