does any one know anything about the forbidden art of china called 'fujitsu' (i think). ive tried using search engines, but all i get is a computer brand. its really annoying. in china, its forbidden to practice this form of martial art because it is so deadly and dangerous. can anyone tell me if the name i put is right and if they know any web sites about this forbidden art.
cheers people
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Bill Glasheen
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It might help if you had something other than a Japanese word as the name of a Chinese art.
Forbidden, deadly, and dangerous are words mostly used by bad ads in cheap magazines designed to separate the ignorant from their money. They aren't necessarily words associated with something of value.
BTW, what's with the handle? Perhaps you should reconsider. Most who post here take things a bit more serious than that.
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Forbidden, deadly, and dangerous are words mostly used by bad ads in cheap magazines designed to separate the ignorant from their money. They aren't necessarily words associated with something of value.
BTW, what's with the handle? Perhaps you should reconsider. Most who post here take things a bit more serious than that.
- Bill
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hey, who said i wasnt being serious?! i was just interested into knowing more about this thing.
when i say that this is deadly, i actually mean it. its said that with one punch, you can hit someone 5 metres into the air. also, the people who practice this martial art can go crazy or even die.
well, this is what i've heard anyway. i have no idea whether these facts are true or not. but, i know i have heard of this martial art.
when i say that this is deadly, i actually mean it. its said that with one punch, you can hit someone 5 metres into the air. also, the people who practice this martial art can go crazy or even die.
well, this is what i've heard anyway. i have no idea whether these facts are true or not. but, i know i have heard of this martial art.
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Before proceeding any further, check your sources of information. I think they won't be very deep. It doesn't sound credible to me.
I was refering to your use of "satan." I'm not an overly religious person and so don't take offense (although some might). But it does put people on guard. I'm (for now) giving you the benefit of the doubt as you may not appreciate how you are coming across. We're happy to engage with anyone who is sincere - no matter what their experience or level of knowledge - but have little tolerance for anyone interested in wasting our time. Think about it...
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I was refering to your use of "satan." I'm not an overly religious person and so don't take offense (although some might). But it does put people on guard. I'm (for now) giving you the benefit of the doubt as you may not appreciate how you are coming across. We're happy to engage with anyone who is sincere - no matter what their experience or level of knowledge - but have little tolerance for anyone interested in wasting our time. Think about it...
- Bill
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hey, im sorry if i offend people with my name being satan. its just that every other name i wanted or tried didnt work and when i put 'satan' down, it worked so i went with it.
im not trying to waste anyones time here. i myself hate people wasting my time. like the saying goes 'time is money'.
i put this topic here because i was just wondering if this art really existed cause it doesnt sound very real to me so i wondered if anyone elese had heard of it so i could confirm myself of the existence of this art.
im not trying to waste anyones time here. i myself hate people wasting my time. like the saying goes 'time is money'.
i put this topic here because i was just wondering if this art really existed cause it doesnt sound very real to me so i wondered if anyone elese had heard of it so i could confirm myself of the existence of this art.
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What is your exposure to the martial arts? Do you practice? If so, what?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by satan:
when i say that this is deadly, i actually mean it. its said that with one punch, you can hit someone 5 metres into the air. also, the people who practice this martial art can go crazy or even die.
well, this is what i've heard anyway. i have no idea whether these facts are true or not. but, i know i have heard of this martial art.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Most MA would fit in the deadly claim. A 6'9" would send a 5'1" flying.
People will go crazy over anything not only MA.
You need better description to identify the art you are searching, a Chinese name will help a lot.
But be very careful about wild claims or you might be disappointed.
I assume your handle is short for Satana.
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when i say that this is deadly, i actually mean it. its said that with one punch, you can hit someone 5 metres into the air. also, the people who practice this martial art can go crazy or even die.
well, this is what i've heard anyway. i have no idea whether these facts are true or not. but, i know i have heard of this martial art.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Most MA would fit in the deadly claim. A 6'9" would send a 5'1" flying.
People will go crazy over anything not only MA.You need better description to identify the art you are searching, a Chinese name will help a lot.
But be very careful about wild claims or you might be disappointed.
I assume your handle is short for Satana.
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"Learning is a never ending process. Shodan is, as it really means, the beginning of serious learning." by Seigo TADA, founder of Seigokan (1922-1997)
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Dear evil one,
Having worked for Fujitsu, I can tell you they can be quite deadly!
mike
Having worked for Fujitsu, I can tell you they can be quite deadly!
mike
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Someone calling themselves satan wants to learn the secret of the well guarded and for bidden art of China,known in Cantonese I believe, as Wak Yu Goot.
Well, if you really want to know this forbidden art, you need to go through the seven year initiation rite before any further information can be imparted.
Repeat to yourself over and over the Mantra O WA TA GU SIAM, until enlightenment dawns, and you will be ready for further initiation onto the Ancient Mysteries of Wak Yu Goot.
Otherwise, OUT DEVIL!
Well, if you really want to know this forbidden art, you need to go through the seven year initiation rite before any further information can be imparted.
Repeat to yourself over and over the Mantra O WA TA GU SIAM, until enlightenment dawns, and you will be ready for further initiation onto the Ancient Mysteries of Wak Yu Goot.
Otherwise, OUT DEVIL!
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Sat, I think you might be referring to the "red sand palm", a quasi-mythical technique. I think the Chinese name might be fu-something or other.
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Take it easy on the newcomer, kusanku.
Satan is just an alternate spelling of
Santa, and after all, he is bringing
something to the table.
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
Satan is just an alternate spelling of
Santa, and after all, he is bringing
something to the table.
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
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Allen says:'after all, he is bringing something to the table.'
Okay, then let me bring something too: There is an art he might be talking about.
It was called Sun Da, (not san da, the modern wushu kickboxing), and it was used by the I Ho Ch'uan, or the Boxers during the Rebellion.
It involved a whole range of toughening, hardening and stregthening excercises and was said to enable to practitioner to resist knives, swords and bulletts( musket balls actually).
The Sun Da was a cult type thing within the Boxer movement, and was the basis for their belief that the kung fu people armed with swords could withstand Western Firearms.
They could, however, not, and the Sun Da died out, though actual documentary films of them training does exist.
Steel jacketed machine Gun Fifty caliber shells went through them as through other mortals.
Sun Da was a combination of some kind of nationalistic religious beliefs with self hypnosis and hard chi gung training, possily augmented with Iron Palm and Iron Vest training.
They also trained with swords.
Is it a forbidden art? Well, it may have been for a while ater that, and I think, mostly, it is a fogotten art, and maybe it should so remain.
It used some harsh practices and I beleve that some practitioners did go insane, and others surely died in training.What with getting stuck, and shot with musket balls and such.
Did they use Fire Sand Palm training? Probably.Probaby they used everything but the Kitchen Sink.Trouble was, they were in a big hurry, so training was too fast and too harsh for anyone's good, and the other problem was, maybe you could stop a musket all, maybe you could stop a dull blade( maybe not, too) but you couldn't stop Rifle and Machine Gun rounds.
Problem with martial arts of the past is that they were designed for the past.To counter weapons of the past.
That those particular arts died out, is not a surprise.
I learned of the Sun Da from friends from Hong Kong, and frommold photos and docuentaries showing some of them doing sword forms.Very ritualized forms where they felt all their energy directed through the sword.
Now if that's not what was meant, I don't have any idea what is.
The real secret art of China, known only in the tentieth century to the public, and considerd the most advanced and powerful art of the time,along with a few others similar inprinciple if not in outward form, was Tai Chi Ch'uan, and its practitioners usually emerged undefeated from most duels and confrontations.This was so into the nineteen fities and maybe sixties.
Tai Chi has now become the world's most popular excercise and martial art, and one of the least commonly understood as a fighting method.
Sun Da has gone into the sun set, whence it shall not return.Watch someone reading this claim to know it, now.:-)
'LEARN SECRET FORBIDDEN ART OF CHINA FROM LAST REMAINING MEMBER OF BOXER REBELLION WHO REALLY COULD STOP BULETTS WITH BODY.ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEAR OLD MASTER FULL O" LEAD WILL TEACH YOU THE SECRET ART OF I HO CH'UAN.FEAR NO FOE AND NO GUN NEITHER.MONEY BACK IF IT DON"T WORK.'
Regards,
John
Okay, then let me bring something too: There is an art he might be talking about.
It was called Sun Da, (not san da, the modern wushu kickboxing), and it was used by the I Ho Ch'uan, or the Boxers during the Rebellion.
It involved a whole range of toughening, hardening and stregthening excercises and was said to enable to practitioner to resist knives, swords and bulletts( musket balls actually).
The Sun Da was a cult type thing within the Boxer movement, and was the basis for their belief that the kung fu people armed with swords could withstand Western Firearms.
They could, however, not, and the Sun Da died out, though actual documentary films of them training does exist.
Steel jacketed machine Gun Fifty caliber shells went through them as through other mortals.
Sun Da was a combination of some kind of nationalistic religious beliefs with self hypnosis and hard chi gung training, possily augmented with Iron Palm and Iron Vest training.
They also trained with swords.
Is it a forbidden art? Well, it may have been for a while ater that, and I think, mostly, it is a fogotten art, and maybe it should so remain.
It used some harsh practices and I beleve that some practitioners did go insane, and others surely died in training.What with getting stuck, and shot with musket balls and such.
Did they use Fire Sand Palm training? Probably.Probaby they used everything but the Kitchen Sink.Trouble was, they were in a big hurry, so training was too fast and too harsh for anyone's good, and the other problem was, maybe you could stop a musket all, maybe you could stop a dull blade( maybe not, too) but you couldn't stop Rifle and Machine Gun rounds.
Problem with martial arts of the past is that they were designed for the past.To counter weapons of the past.
That those particular arts died out, is not a surprise.
I learned of the Sun Da from friends from Hong Kong, and frommold photos and docuentaries showing some of them doing sword forms.Very ritualized forms where they felt all their energy directed through the sword.
Now if that's not what was meant, I don't have any idea what is.
The real secret art of China, known only in the tentieth century to the public, and considerd the most advanced and powerful art of the time,along with a few others similar inprinciple if not in outward form, was Tai Chi Ch'uan, and its practitioners usually emerged undefeated from most duels and confrontations.This was so into the nineteen fities and maybe sixties.
Tai Chi has now become the world's most popular excercise and martial art, and one of the least commonly understood as a fighting method.
Sun Da has gone into the sun set, whence it shall not return.Watch someone reading this claim to know it, now.:-)
'LEARN SECRET FORBIDDEN ART OF CHINA FROM LAST REMAINING MEMBER OF BOXER REBELLION WHO REALLY COULD STOP BULETTS WITH BODY.ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEAR OLD MASTER FULL O" LEAD WILL TEACH YOU THE SECRET ART OF I HO CH'UAN.FEAR NO FOE AND NO GUN NEITHER.MONEY BACK IF IT DON"T WORK.
'Regards,
John
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John,
Sign me up for that course! And here I thought Uechi condidtioning or Kendo training was the balls. Go figure.
mike
Sign me up for that course!
And here I thought Uechi condidtioning or Kendo training was the balls. Go figure.mike
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mikemurphy:
John,
Sign me up for that course! And here I thought Uechi condidtioning or Kendo training was the balls. Go figure.
mike
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Mike,
If you want to learn Sun Da(literally meant God Strikes), you have to be a triad member(the Tongs member).
It is a secret art because no decent person in Hong Kong would ever imagine himself being associated with one of these Sun Da people let alone learning the art. Having said that, Sun Da schools are quite plentiful and are very open in Hong Kong(I got one two floors below me in my old address). I used to go downstairs to watch them train when I was a kid.
Sun Da involves self hypnotism before training or fighting. Once they get into a trance (ie, when a deity was invited into their body, or in other words, being possessed, they started to act strangely. Sometimes they can perform kung fu like maneuvers they never learn before. In their trance, they can't feel pain, so they can fight very fiercely and with incredibly power. The instructor would usually show-off at this time by chopping the student in a trance with broad swords or chopping knives.
It's not a dying art, I'm sure it's still alive and kicking among the triad societies in Chinatown in the States.
Bill
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John,
Sign me up for that course!
And here I thought Uechi condidtioning or Kendo training was the balls. Go figure.mike
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Mike,
If you want to learn Sun Da(literally meant God Strikes), you have to be a triad member(the Tongs member).
It is a secret art because no decent person in Hong Kong would ever imagine himself being associated with one of these Sun Da people let alone learning the art. Having said that, Sun Da schools are quite plentiful and are very open in Hong Kong(I got one two floors below me in my old address). I used to go downstairs to watch them train when I was a kid.
Sun Da involves self hypnotism before training or fighting. Once they get into a trance (ie, when a deity was invited into their body, or in other words, being possessed, they started to act strangely. Sometimes they can perform kung fu like maneuvers they never learn before. In their trance, they can't feel pain, so they can fight very fiercely and with incredibly power. The instructor would usually show-off at this time by chopping the student in a trance with broad swords or chopping knives.
It's not a dying art, I'm sure it's still alive and kicking among the triad societies in Chinatown in the States.
Bill
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"Learning is a never ending process. Shodan is, as it really means, the beginning of serious learning." by Seigo TADA, founder of Seigokan (1922-1997)
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Bill MOk says:
Sun Da lives.'
Uh Oh.
That would explain how the guys from Hong Kong knew to tell me about it.
Well, that was what the Boxers did.
Yes, it makes Uechi look like a picnic.:-)
Thanks for the info Bill. Just goes to show, just when you thought it was safe to practice your kungfuagain, without those sun da guys jumping through the walls,they're baaaaack!
And this time they want to play hardball.
John
Sun Da lives.'
Uh Oh.
That would explain how the guys from Hong Kong knew to tell me about it.
Well, that was what the Boxers did.
Yes, it makes Uechi look like a picnic.:-)
Thanks for the info Bill. Just goes to show, just when you thought it was safe to practice your kungfuagain, without those sun da guys jumping through the walls,they're baaaaack!
And this time they want to play hardball.
John
