I've begun training in Tang Soo Do recently, after a previous background in mainly boxing and kickboxing. In contrast to the fluid footwork and punches of boxing, Tang Soo Do teaches high stomping steps and tense shoulder-locked punches. Up until recently I prefered the apparently more fast, powerful, and natural kickboxing techniques to their apparently uselessly stylized and ritualistic TSD equivalents.
But recently I saw this article on Carl Cestari's authentic Close Quarter Combat style: www.gutterfighting.org/cestari.html
It sounds more like TSD than boxing or kickboxing!!
TSD and CQC!
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the Khazar Kid
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TSD and CQC!
"Cestari stresses keeping the body tense. Train in stiff, gross body motion. You are going to be tense anyway, so train for it."
Just like TSD and all other traditional "hard-style" karate!
"Cestari emphasizes that close combat footwork is ALL stomping, including the drop step. Stomping is intimidating, and is the best for uneven terrain, cluttered terrain, ice, snow, mud, etc. There is no sliding or shuffling footwork in close combat. With the dropstep STOMP INTO the blow, large heavy movement, gross motor skills."
Just like TSD!! This article on modern CQC actually gave me a much better appreciation of a "traditional" style.
Just like TSD and all other traditional "hard-style" karate!
"Cestari emphasizes that close combat footwork is ALL stomping, including the drop step. Stomping is intimidating, and is the best for uneven terrain, cluttered terrain, ice, snow, mud, etc. There is no sliding or shuffling footwork in close combat. With the dropstep STOMP INTO the blow, large heavy movement, gross motor skills."
Just like TSD!! This article on modern CQC actually gave me a much better appreciation of a "traditional" style.
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Bill Glasheen
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TSD and CQC!
This is all very fascinating and interesting.
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It's like the mid-Atlantic suburbanite that buys a big, honking SUV (Ford Excursion, Chevy Suburban, maybe even a HumV) because there MIGHT be 3 feet of snow, or one MIGHT have to drive on the sand or across rivers while taking the kids to soccer practice. Perhaps one could choose not to live in the outback, and rely on city/county services to keep the roads reasonably clear. Then a reasonably-sized AWD vehicle, or even FWD with snow tires should do the job with any Mid-Atlantic snowstorm in our lifetime. And if not, there's always staying home and ****ing like bunnies in front of the fireplace.
I'm not dissing what you are posting, KK. I think it's fascinating, and we shouldn't dismiss "unusual" ways of fighting outright. Often we measure fighting approaches by yardsticks when in the land of metric units. Context is everything, and we all must be flexible in our approaches. Training therefore should keep these various probable scenarios in mind.
One-dimensional approaches to fighting get you in trouble, whether they be boxing or TSD. One only need look back to the defeat of the mighty Spanish Armada by the smaller British Navy. It seems that the Spaniards tried to take on the tiny but mobile British Navy in a small body of water. The large Spanish ships couldn't maneuver properly, and their heralded fleet was decimated. Lessons like these can be generalized to many venues of battle.
- Bill
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I find this interesting, and certainly one approach to fighting when confronting lethal force. But this may be somewhat limiting. Why not instead learn to "chill" a bit?Train in stiff, gross body motion
It's like the mid-Atlantic suburbanite that buys a big, honking SUV (Ford Excursion, Chevy Suburban, maybe even a HumV) because there MIGHT be 3 feet of snow, or one MIGHT have to drive on the sand or across rivers while taking the kids to soccer practice. Perhaps one could choose not to live in the outback, and rely on city/county services to keep the roads reasonably clear. Then a reasonably-sized AWD vehicle, or even FWD with snow tires should do the job with any Mid-Atlantic snowstorm in our lifetime. And if not, there's always staying home and ****ing like bunnies in front of the fireplace.
I'm not dissing what you are posting, KK. I think it's fascinating, and we shouldn't dismiss "unusual" ways of fighting outright. Often we measure fighting approaches by yardsticks when in the land of metric units. Context is everything, and we all must be flexible in our approaches. Training therefore should keep these various probable scenarios in mind.
One-dimensional approaches to fighting get you in trouble, whether they be boxing or TSD. One only need look back to the defeat of the mighty Spanish Armada by the smaller British Navy. It seems that the Spaniards tried to take on the tiny but mobile British Navy in a small body of water. The large Spanish ships couldn't maneuver properly, and their heralded fleet was decimated. Lessons like these can be generalized to many venues of battle.
- Bill
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Bill Glasheen
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