This is about a 2 page read but is interesting as our thoughts in MA and all around everyday awareness.
Enjoy =) http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/prat-boh.htm
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Bill Glasheen
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That is one interesting read. I am wondering what you were thinking about when posting this, crazycat.
Both Einstein and Bohm were dissenters in the field of quantum physics. In commenting about the random nature of events by the present theory, Einstein once remarked that he refused to belive God threw dice with the universe.
The interconnectedness of things is certainly an appealing notion. Whether or not it is a reality remains to be seen. There is much to prove to build an understanding of the utility of such a notion. But if it is indeed so, then there are modes of influence and sensitivity to things and people that we've not even begun to consider.
Applications in MA? If true, then absolutely...but beyond MY understanding today.
Anybody following this?
- Bill
Both Einstein and Bohm were dissenters in the field of quantum physics. In commenting about the random nature of events by the present theory, Einstein once remarked that he refused to belive God threw dice with the universe.
The interconnectedness of things is certainly an appealing notion. Whether or not it is a reality remains to be seen. There is much to prove to build an understanding of the utility of such a notion. But if it is indeed so, then there are modes of influence and sensitivity to things and people that we've not even begun to consider.
Applications in MA? If true, then absolutely...but beyond MY understanding today.
Anybody following this?
- Bill
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In an earlier post I wrote that we were "wired to be spiritual beings". I didn't believe people took it seriously or just did not understand, so its been scientiffically proven?
In MA practise? we are what we think we are, even in our dreams which may be another reality. Maybe a little too deep in that ocean of sub atomic particles.
have fun
In MA practise? we are what we think we are, even in our dreams which may be another reality. Maybe a little too deep in that ocean of sub atomic particles.
have fun
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Bill Glasheen
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I think you need to be very careful here. Bohm has presented a series of theories based on physical pheonomena he has observed. It takes time to prove theories like these.
For example, Einstein postulated a number of things based on his intellectual understanding of the universe and the mathematics he used to articulate those visions. Some things - like the variable nature of time and mass with speed - needed verification to validate the theories. We now accept these equations to be validated theories. Other things have yet to be validated. For example, Einstein postulated that significant events such as the collision of large bodies caused gravitational ripples that were extremely small and likely not capable of being measured. But today we have people attempting to measure the distance between mirrors miles away after two black holes collide in space. It's pretty wild stuff.
The stuff of Bohm is even more esoteric than that. What he is suggesting is that there is a kind of communication among entities in the universe that happens too fast to be caused by something operating even at the speed of light. The suggestion is that the two entities are behaving as part of a cosmic whole. When you think about some of the analogies that are used, it is most definitely intriguing. Prooving this is difficult but not impossible. Actually USING something like that is fascinating. It MIGHT explain things that are heretofore thought of as poppycock. And it might allow us to know - and influence - events not in our presence.
We shall see.
- Bill
For example, Einstein postulated a number of things based on his intellectual understanding of the universe and the mathematics he used to articulate those visions. Some things - like the variable nature of time and mass with speed - needed verification to validate the theories. We now accept these equations to be validated theories. Other things have yet to be validated. For example, Einstein postulated that significant events such as the collision of large bodies caused gravitational ripples that were extremely small and likely not capable of being measured. But today we have people attempting to measure the distance between mirrors miles away after two black holes collide in space. It's pretty wild stuff.
The stuff of Bohm is even more esoteric than that. What he is suggesting is that there is a kind of communication among entities in the universe that happens too fast to be caused by something operating even at the speed of light. The suggestion is that the two entities are behaving as part of a cosmic whole. When you think about some of the analogies that are used, it is most definitely intriguing. Prooving this is difficult but not impossible. Actually USING something like that is fascinating. It MIGHT explain things that are heretofore thought of as poppycock. And it might allow us to know - and influence - events not in our presence.
We shall see.
- Bill
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Bill and All, I do not have correct the words to explain myself I only understand the outer shell and how (the original post) came to his conclusion is beyound me. So I asked a friend of mine to explain for me his thoughts and I'm posting them here for you.
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Certainly love to, my friend. =D
First off, I would like to say I absolutely agree with your comment "That was interesting Robert. I think this is incorperated into MA, scientiffically speaking. A complete and hightened awareness of thought. "
The first thing that came to mind is the Wuji/Taiji. The implicate order (seemingly organic in nature) - enfolding and unfolding (Liangyi)- is most commonly know to us as Ying Yang. I remembered a conversation that I had with a Taiji practitioner, who regarded the Liangyi as mainly duality, which is IMHO not really Liangyi represents. In a sense, implicate order is what the Budha would call Anuttarasamyak Sambodhi, which is somewhat of a similar notion to the Christian God minus the personification, that is addressed in Diamond Sutra and Heart Sutra. But in Buddha's teaching the Supreme Conciousness (Anuttarasamyak Sambodhi) and Conciousness (human or otherwise) do not separate from each other. Buddhists simply strive to preceive via correct preception the oneness with the Supreme Conciousness, which btw is remarkably reminiscent of the quantum protential, quantum hologram, implicate order, etc... as outlined in the article. While the scientists use sophisticate math to conceive and preceive, martial artists could arrive at the same conclusion throught expressions in combative form. One example is the Peng in Taijiquan. Peng (semi mindset- semi energy) is the enfoldedness and then expressed as Peng, lu, Ji, and An jing - the unfoldedness. The connecting point is small and local in push hand (only the wrist) yet the quantum hologram (the body, etc...) that contains all the information about the system(s) [re: the participants and the environment in the exercise] is enormous. Push hand as a matter of fact a form of information exchange via energies. Regardless of disciplines, human are capable of thorough understanding of Supreme Conciousness. The only trick is not to go overboard with jargons.
Thank God, we have Zen so that we don't have to do the math. LOL... ;p =D
Warm regards
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Certainly love to, my friend. =D
First off, I would like to say I absolutely agree with your comment "That was interesting Robert. I think this is incorperated into MA, scientiffically speaking. A complete and hightened awareness of thought. "
The first thing that came to mind is the Wuji/Taiji. The implicate order (seemingly organic in nature) - enfolding and unfolding (Liangyi)- is most commonly know to us as Ying Yang. I remembered a conversation that I had with a Taiji practitioner, who regarded the Liangyi as mainly duality, which is IMHO not really Liangyi represents. In a sense, implicate order is what the Budha would call Anuttarasamyak Sambodhi, which is somewhat of a similar notion to the Christian God minus the personification, that is addressed in Diamond Sutra and Heart Sutra. But in Buddha's teaching the Supreme Conciousness (Anuttarasamyak Sambodhi) and Conciousness (human or otherwise) do not separate from each other. Buddhists simply strive to preceive via correct preception the oneness with the Supreme Conciousness, which btw is remarkably reminiscent of the quantum protential, quantum hologram, implicate order, etc... as outlined in the article. While the scientists use sophisticate math to conceive and preceive, martial artists could arrive at the same conclusion throught expressions in combative form. One example is the Peng in Taijiquan. Peng (semi mindset- semi energy) is the enfoldedness and then expressed as Peng, lu, Ji, and An jing - the unfoldedness. The connecting point is small and local in push hand (only the wrist) yet the quantum hologram (the body, etc...) that contains all the information about the system(s) [re: the participants and the environment in the exercise] is enormous. Push hand as a matter of fact a form of information exchange via energies. Regardless of disciplines, human are capable of thorough understanding of Supreme Conciousness. The only trick is not to go overboard with jargons.
Thank God, we have Zen so that we don't have to do the math. LOL... ;p =D Warm regards
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this reminds me of something that I read about monkeys on two seperate islands with no possible means of witnessing each others behaviour.....yet after a short time monkeys on the second island were using the behaviour learned by the first set of monkeys
I think the behaviour was opening shellfish with a tool or some such thing.
I think the behaviour was opening shellfish with a tool or some such thing.
