good technique or not?

mikemurphy · Post by **mikemurphy** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:32 pm

To all you perfectionists out there:

What do you consider a "good" technique in Jujitsu? I ask this because I have several opinions on this question and my answer would depend on the art that I'm practicing. For example, in Karate-do I would answer one thing and in Jujtsu I would answer another.

So without getting into specific techniques, unless you wish to use them as an example, try and answer the question honestly.

thanks,

mike

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 4:33 am

I dont know jujitsu , only what ive read or seen demonstrated , having said this id desribe my karate applications as Jujitsu like , how would i qualify good jujitsu technique .. simple if it works its a good technique , this is deffinately not the only criteria id apply to judging karate technique though , Interesting question very thought provoking ....

Stryke

JDeLuca · Post by **JDeLuca** » Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:45 pm

Mike,
Not that I'm a perfectionist or anything close to it but here are some of my opinions on "good technique" in jiujitsu or karate.

* The technique should be effective against someone of similar or greater physical or technical ability. This implies that that technique will accomplish it's goal or at least be a threat that must be dealt with.
* In applying good technique physical strength and endurance should be de-emphasized and not relyed on in the development of the skill.
* The technique should be able to be used in combinations, that is to say that you should be able to flow to or from another technique as a set up or finish.

Finally in a way I agree with Styke that if it works it is good, or at least good enough.

Joe Sullivan · Post by **Joe Sullivan** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:40 am

Joe P. here.

Ditto pertaining to JDeluca's statement.

mikemurphy · Post by **mikemurphy** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 11:52 am

Hey, it's great to hear from you guys!! :-)

Stryke:

That's just the phrase I tell my students... If it works then it's great! But if it doesn't, you'll be the first one to know. But is there a certain "in-fighting/grappling" techinique that you know or use in this situation?

JDeluca:

First of all, is this the famous JDeluca that I know?? Either way, it's great to have you on the forums (finally). Your imput would be a wonderful asset in this particular. Now back to your post.... Great assessment, but what technique would you feel as your "favorite" in a real situation? You know, the one you would set somebody up for and that you feel real comfortable with, and the one that is more likely to be worked on day after day.

Secondly, on your analysis, are you speaking in terms of Judo a little bit? I'm not puttin it down or anything, just wondering knowing your background. Can you give some examples of what you are saying?

Joe,

Thanks for calling in. BTW, belated kudos on your recent victory. Your one of a kind!
Now this would be a hard question for you to answer I would think, because everytime I watch a video of your fights or see you compete in sparring, I don't see you rely on setting one particular technique up. You must have a favorite or two. Care to share?

mike

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 7:20 pm

Hi favourite techniques is always a hard one , one im working on a lot lately is a choke where I wrap one arm under the arm and around the hrad and use the other behind to apply the choke , sorry i dont know what its called , most of my grappling comes from single arm joint manipulations , Ive been using the choke as it is a natural transition for me , I find i can use it as an instead of , one of my throws leads directly to this technique .

JDeLuca · Post by **JDeLuca** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 5:13 am

Mike,

Yes, this is Jim, thanks for welcoming me to the forum. I've read the Uechi forums for quite some time and thought it would be fun to participate.
To answer your question about favorite techniques for real situations, I feel that the single most important thing is position. Attaining and maintaining an advantageous postion whether from the mount, side mount or guard is the most important thing you can do to protect yourself. Limit the risks you take and be safe. When practicing though take a different approach. Once you have establish a superior position change up and take chances.
As for my experience with Judo it was ALL sport oriented. The goal while training was to develop skills to win Judo matches and not to defend oneself. This being said I have no doubt that a well practiced judoplayer benifits in much the same way as a wrestler, boxer, and sport karate competitor. They are all putting themselves in a combative situation that requires a great deal of endurance, strength, balance, and mental toughness. All essential components in self defense.

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J Deluca

RA Miller · Post by **RA Miller** » Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:46 pm

Nike-

Depends on how you define good, as in good for what?

For jujutsu, a good technique is both efficient and devestating. If it needs muscle to work, it's not good by jujutsu definition- if the recipient is not damaged, severely, it is not a good technique.

The Golden Rule of Combat, from a very old book on "Kano Jui-jitsu" states "Your most powerful weapon applied to your opponents greatest weakness at his time of maximum imbalance." I haven't been able to improve on that.

"If it worked it was good" is a nice sentiment. I try never to argue with success. But combat is chaos, and success in one encounter may not transfer to success in another. Sometimes it's just luck.

Luck is good. Unfortunately, it's not reliable.

Rory

Sensei Kunz · Post by **Sensei Kunz** » Tue Feb 05, 2002 12:47 am

In street combat, you must be aggressive in all aspects self-defense, including kicks, hits, trapping, grappling, take-downs and groundwork. This is not from a book, but from personal experience! Street smarts also plays an important role. You must be an intelligent fighter not a mechanical fighter.
http://www.selfdefenseforyou.com

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Sensei Kunz
Jeet Kune Do
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Sensei Kunz · Post by **Sensei Kunz** » Tue Feb 05, 2002 5:46 am

A good technique is anything that works! Let's face it, anything goes in a street fight conbantant. the rules are different than what you practice in the dojo!!!!
www.selfdefenseforyou.com

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Sensei Kunz
Jeet Kune Do
Instructor

RA Miller · Post by **RA Miller** » Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:22 am

"Street combat". Where does this BS come from? Next we'll have "Urban Samurai" and "Knights of the Inner City". We probably already do, come to think of it.

Not to hijack the thread (Sorry, Mike.)...
If it's is counter-ambush/counter-assault, you don't have time to think. Aggression is key to survival but it will come from drilled reflexes, not thinking, not in the first critical second. If it is _not_ countering an assault, either it is a dominance game which you do not need to play, or it predicates on your duty to act- such as en entry, cell extraction or taking into custody- in which the aggression must be carefully restrained.

Again, sorry, Mike.

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And I still find things in books that I haven't been able to improve on.

Rory

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mikemurphy · Post by **mikemurphy** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:28 am

Rory,

Thanks for the imput and the read, very interesting. And you're right. Why reinvent the wheel? I guess using the phrase "good technique" is subjective at best, but the results are concrete, and that is what we must be judged on.

Sensei Kunz,

Not that I disagree with your comments, but just to change the subject a bit...How would you define "street smarts?" And where would you place that in the world of grappling/jujitsu/judo, etc.?

mike

Joe Sullivan · Post by **Joe Sullivan** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:29 am

Joe P. here, thanks Mike.

Mike, I think a great technique is one that a person gets to know intimately through much experimentation and practice. I few techniques immediately come to mind right now. These techniques are both striking and grappling.

I feel as if I can successfuly apply these techniques a vast majority of the time against a resisting opponent. Good techniques work on opponents giving 100% resistance.

My Favorites: 1. roundhouse to the head. 2. running reverse punches to the head. 3. single leg trap takedown. 4. rear-naked-choke. 5. kimura shoulderlock while transitioning from side-mount to north-south position. (I think I'm giving away all of my secrets here

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I believe all those that are serious about the martial-arts have a few techniques that they go to first...or if they are in a pinch. We go to these select few because they seem to always come through for us. why? because we know them the best and have a personal feel for exactly how and when to use our 'FAVORITE" techniques.

Later, Joe

Malcolm Wagner · Post by **Malcolm Wagner** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:55 pm

Good technique,

Apply appx. 5Lbs of pressure (single action) to the trigger of my Beretta .40 S&W.

If this doesn't work, run like hell

I love knee/groin strikes, throat nukites, eye scratches---and spitting in someones face to give me time to do these things. I consider all of these things (even the Beretta) "good Jiu-Jitsu". A good system of Jiu-Jitsu has no limits.

Mal