http://www.childabductionprevention.com ... _pack.html
Is your daughter or loved one truly prepared to escape from any of these specific sexual assault attacks?
* Forced on her back with a knife at her throat?
* Trapped on her stomach inside his car?
* Threatened with a gun at her head?
* Pinned on her back with his hands on her throat?
* Smothered with a pillow or bed covers in her dorm room?
* Tackled to the floor in a choke-hold with her mouth covered?
* Straddled by an attacker who punches and elbows her?
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Whether spoken or not - these are the fears most women hold within them when they join a martial arts school.
More sensationalism...
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And did you know that...
85% of ALL sexual assaults against high school, college and single women are committed by someone they know or recognize.
No wonder, as a parent and educator , it’s your worst fear...
A teenage girl or young woman is out with a guy, someone she thought she knew , but now she is pinned down, smothered by him and he’s high on adrenaline, rage and maybe even alcohol or drugs.
Can she possibly hope to escape before he hurts her?
Is there any way out?
And what if that girl is your student or high school age daughter on a date that turns violent in his car?
Or your daughter in college who meets the wrong guy at a party and is abducted to an isolated area on campus?
Or your single daughter who lives in an apartment all by herself and a sexual predator forces his way inside?
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The cost of their rape pack (3 videos) is $60 and free shipping if I order online. I have to tell you, I'm pretty tempted....
Dana
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This is interesting:
"But the reality is typical self-defense training isn't specific enough because being pinned down on your back or stomach requires a totally different set of mental and physical escape skills ."
This relates to the "salesmen, cheats, and liars" thread on Van's forum. As a guy, I'm not sure I buy that. Bridgeing to get the bar bully off you before he smashes your face in seems pretty similiar to bridging to get the rapists off you. I'd be interested in what the women here think. LeAnn started us off by saying she doesn't think guys and girls have similar situations.
"But the reality is typical self-defense training isn't specific enough because being pinned down on your back or stomach requires a totally different set of mental and physical escape skills ."
This relates to the "salesmen, cheats, and liars" thread on Van's forum. As a guy, I'm not sure I buy that. Bridgeing to get the bar bully off you before he smashes your face in seems pretty similiar to bridging to get the rapists off you. I'd be interested in what the women here think. LeAnn started us off by saying she doesn't think guys and girls have similar situations.
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Le Haggard
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Re: Rape Escape
Ditto. Been through different variations of most of those. Those are what is real for me not a guy in a bar swinging a pool cue or trying to protect his ego in front of his buddies and girlfriend.Dana Sheets wrote: Is your daughter or loved one truly prepared to escape from any of these specific sexual assault attacks?
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Whether spoken or not - these are the fears most women hold within them when they join a martial arts school.
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The cost of their rape pack (3 videos) is $60 and free shipping if I order online. I have to tell you, I'm pretty tempted....
Dana
Those are why I'm in martial arts... Very VERY tempting indeed.
Yup, I was asking what standards women should look for in realistic self-defense, since the issue of reality based training was brought up. I still don't think the situations are the same.TSDGuy wrote: LeAnn started us off by saying she doesn't think guys and girls have similar situations.
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Corey L. Minatani
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Hello All:
One of the main concerns here is what Dana states, are your loved one's ready? Well, that would depend. I have trained both men and women, non-traditional adults, adults, children, and college students. One thing is clear, the techniques need to work across the board - men, women, and children and it [training] needs to be universal in nature, not specific. I say universal simply because there is not one teacher who can teach a technique exactly how it will happen in real life. Hence, there is a distinction between reality and training. Training is simply training. Nothing more, nothing less. Reality is only training if one survives, thus, reality dependant upon survival gives way to wisdom (e.g. getting raped in a bar might mean to not frequent bars). Even if the instructor could predict what an attacker would do (which they cannot with 100% predictability), there are various variables to consider: speed of the opponent, attacker's awareness, intent, tenacity (some may not want to fight, others revel in it), weight (this is a big factor, 150# versus 300#), strength, # of friends hiding in the shadows (or lookouts for police), etc.
I cannot see any tape or instructor, even touching the tip of the iceberg on self-defense in this manner. MMA or reality-fighters are not "reality" in the sense of true self-defense. Shihan Tony Annesi relates there are two modes of combat, Sudden Attack Defense (SAD) and Combat Attack Defense (CAD). SAD is the "what if" X attacks with "Y." CAD is the senario such that one fighter agrees to fight another in a selected venue, e.g. outside, in the ring, in a tournament, for money, etc. I would argue, men identify with the CAD mentality, whereas the women identify with the SAD mentality. SAD for men may only be identified when they drop the soap in the county prison or something. Annesi further argues that no method of training be it traditional (karate), eclectic (JKD or some MMA), or other method cannot defend against all variables of the real world. You can train your body to resist damage, bridge, out maneuver, out spar, run, bite, or whatever. But the bottom line will be that the defender will react, and have to put what ever training into some sort of reactionary defense. Therefore, any martial art in theory will suffice. How well and how much they train in that particular art will tell if they survive the outcome. I hear all the time people say karate ***** for self-defense, I would argue the person who does X karate *****, not the art or style. Many of the systems created were created by some tough and ready fighters no-doubt. Not everyone will know when they are going to fight and who and what style (like all the Gracie jujutsu victories)! A crowbar to the back of the neck of a surprised Gracie jujutsu stylist is going to explode tissue just the same as a surprised individual with no martial experience. Training one's body to toughen up and make more flexible and at the same time conditioning and training certain reflexive movements (like popping out someone's eyes with your fingers or reflexively snatching the testicles of an adversary and throwing them over your shoulder) is the key to self-defense. Ed Parker, the father of American Kenpo, once stated something to the effect, "I'd like 10 techniques that fight for me rather than 100 techniques that FIGHT me." Simply stated, if you accumulated every possible technique against every possible encounter, you'd be in the dojo forever...you have to use some basic principles and apply them best you can. Bruce Lee argued that efficiency is anything that scores and that one must chip away the enessentials. I will ignore the fact that both JKD and Kenpo curriculums are technique heavy, simply going against the founders' wishes, but hey, nothing more than what Catholics did with Christianity...
In any event, I hope this helps..
One of the main concerns here is what Dana states, are your loved one's ready? Well, that would depend. I have trained both men and women, non-traditional adults, adults, children, and college students. One thing is clear, the techniques need to work across the board - men, women, and children and it [training] needs to be universal in nature, not specific. I say universal simply because there is not one teacher who can teach a technique exactly how it will happen in real life. Hence, there is a distinction between reality and training. Training is simply training. Nothing more, nothing less. Reality is only training if one survives, thus, reality dependant upon survival gives way to wisdom (e.g. getting raped in a bar might mean to not frequent bars). Even if the instructor could predict what an attacker would do (which they cannot with 100% predictability), there are various variables to consider: speed of the opponent, attacker's awareness, intent, tenacity (some may not want to fight, others revel in it), weight (this is a big factor, 150# versus 300#), strength, # of friends hiding in the shadows (or lookouts for police), etc.
I cannot see any tape or instructor, even touching the tip of the iceberg on self-defense in this manner. MMA or reality-fighters are not "reality" in the sense of true self-defense. Shihan Tony Annesi relates there are two modes of combat, Sudden Attack Defense (SAD) and Combat Attack Defense (CAD). SAD is the "what if" X attacks with "Y." CAD is the senario such that one fighter agrees to fight another in a selected venue, e.g. outside, in the ring, in a tournament, for money, etc. I would argue, men identify with the CAD mentality, whereas the women identify with the SAD mentality. SAD for men may only be identified when they drop the soap in the county prison or something. Annesi further argues that no method of training be it traditional (karate), eclectic (JKD or some MMA), or other method cannot defend against all variables of the real world. You can train your body to resist damage, bridge, out maneuver, out spar, run, bite, or whatever. But the bottom line will be that the defender will react, and have to put what ever training into some sort of reactionary defense. Therefore, any martial art in theory will suffice. How well and how much they train in that particular art will tell if they survive the outcome. I hear all the time people say karate ***** for self-defense, I would argue the person who does X karate *****, not the art or style. Many of the systems created were created by some tough and ready fighters no-doubt. Not everyone will know when they are going to fight and who and what style (like all the Gracie jujutsu victories)! A crowbar to the back of the neck of a surprised Gracie jujutsu stylist is going to explode tissue just the same as a surprised individual with no martial experience. Training one's body to toughen up and make more flexible and at the same time conditioning and training certain reflexive movements (like popping out someone's eyes with your fingers or reflexively snatching the testicles of an adversary and throwing them over your shoulder) is the key to self-defense. Ed Parker, the father of American Kenpo, once stated something to the effect, "I'd like 10 techniques that fight for me rather than 100 techniques that FIGHT me." Simply stated, if you accumulated every possible technique against every possible encounter, you'd be in the dojo forever...you have to use some basic principles and apply them best you can. Bruce Lee argued that efficiency is anything that scores and that one must chip away the enessentials. I will ignore the fact that both JKD and Kenpo curriculums are technique heavy, simply going against the founders' wishes, but hey, nothing more than what Catholics did with Christianity...
In any event, I hope this helps..
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Corey L. Minatani
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oh, I just looked at the site promoting this video, HYPE!
This works on the fear that if you don't know any particular SD moves against/in the bed, on your stomach, etc, you need to buy this tape! Impulse buying strategy, marketing agents use it all the time. If this tape is the real thing, many gov't agencys for domestic violence would also be promoting this, to date, I haven't seen one tape come out on top on this subject. One thing to remember, where are they getting their facts? From what source? Shouldn't awareness training to prevent the 85% of attacks against someone they know, e.g. weird body language, verbal inclinations, rapist psychology...what about being proficient with a spyderco clip it. If the person planning to attack you knows you can deploy a blade and do the Bobbit cut in less than 2 seconds...I don't think they are gonna want to play. Just being able to keep a clip it on your person cuts down the chance you will be violated. You don't have to actually cut, but the attacker may not want to take the chance you will/wont use it.
On the WMAC forum, Datu Kelly Worden and his wife, Laura, are strong advocates of knife defense. Attackers will seem to lose interest in choking while you slice their abdominals with a 2" blade, even on your stomach, a reverse poke into the attacker's thigh or a sweeping arc with a blade will command distance and caution. Holding the knife and knowing how not to get it taken away is just as valid as some specific technique, and I bet this tape will not detail all the variables I've posted in the last post. Save your $$ and see if you can ask Laura Worden about Filipino answers to the self-defense problem for women on the WMAC forum. Or maybe we can get her to talk here.
In any case, Dana should be commended for researching this stuff, I think it is a very valid concern.
This works on the fear that if you don't know any particular SD moves against/in the bed, on your stomach, etc, you need to buy this tape! Impulse buying strategy, marketing agents use it all the time. If this tape is the real thing, many gov't agencys for domestic violence would also be promoting this, to date, I haven't seen one tape come out on top on this subject. One thing to remember, where are they getting their facts? From what source? Shouldn't awareness training to prevent the 85% of attacks against someone they know, e.g. weird body language, verbal inclinations, rapist psychology...what about being proficient with a spyderco clip it. If the person planning to attack you knows you can deploy a blade and do the Bobbit cut in less than 2 seconds...I don't think they are gonna want to play. Just being able to keep a clip it on your person cuts down the chance you will be violated. You don't have to actually cut, but the attacker may not want to take the chance you will/wont use it.
On the WMAC forum, Datu Kelly Worden and his wife, Laura, are strong advocates of knife defense. Attackers will seem to lose interest in choking while you slice their abdominals with a 2" blade, even on your stomach, a reverse poke into the attacker's thigh or a sweeping arc with a blade will command distance and caution. Holding the knife and knowing how not to get it taken away is just as valid as some specific technique, and I bet this tape will not detail all the variables I've posted in the last post. Save your $$ and see if you can ask Laura Worden about Filipino answers to the self-defense problem for women on the WMAC forum. Or maybe we can get her to talk here.
In any case, Dana should be commended for researching this stuff, I think it is a very valid concern.
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Dana Sheets
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Corey,
Thanks for posting and welcome to the forum. Your thoughts are clear and very well put. The CAD & SAD concepts have been presented before, but in different language. And I like the way Tony Annesi puts it.
There's a lot to chew on here...I'll be back later after work.
I'll see if I can ask Laura to come over for a visit.
Thanks!
Dana
Thanks for posting and welcome to the forum. Your thoughts are clear and very well put. The CAD & SAD concepts have been presented before, but in different language. And I like the way Tony Annesi puts it.
There's a lot to chew on here...I'll be back later after work.
I'll see if I can ask Laura to come over for a visit.
Thanks!
Dana
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