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 Post subject: SANCHIN/SEISAN A PUZZEL
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:52 pm 
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Mostly I have centered all attention at sanchin ,all energy expressions have been constant ,also all students who have been with me ,those who failed to do this went down the road ,obviously this comes over as ruthless .But to carry out all I have said so far a certain ruthless came into events .
Traditionally that part of uechi-ryu was ruthless .the penetrating mind at the back of this is in sanchin .

Now attention is divided between sanchin/seisan ,we now look forewords at seisan ,this is binary study ,the conections will be binary to all memory we are aware of at the time .
This is pure binary ,a ancient method of holding information.

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Seisan a puzzle aspect of "sanchin" or some of its multiplicity that a practioner can become aware of over ex amount of time .
Attention is divided between seisan/sanchin ,and this presents a set of possibilites to the practioner ,first of all singular attention had its purpose in sanchin ,and its use can still be brought to bear upon anything at all.
But now we shift to divided attention ,two streams of attention,at first it still appears to be one attention just shifted to seisan ,singular attention is very difficult to attain in its own right ,our old masters wanted first a singular attention ,a special focus to a subject .

The next part is to shift this attention into two streams ,quite simply we now learn to juggle with two balls ,the trick is not dropping them ,like everything mistakes will be made here also .We must learn to juggle and keep juggling these two we must not let them drop to the floor this is a new test .
The student can either run back to singular ,this does happen ,or run after multiplicity in other quarters ,or can this juggling be adhered to .

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Max ... so that I can understand your train of thought.... would you please define how you mean ruthlessness? I've always felt that Karate - especially Uechi-ryu -- was a good place where to learn this characteristic. To be ruthless is to have impeccable survival skills regardless of the situation or the environment. We must be willing to fail as many times as necessary -- make mistakes & learn, but each time recover and continue to pursue in the direction of our intent.

Ruthlessness also implies that I have physical stability, be honest about my physical state in any situation, and never over/under estimate my physical resources or exhaust them.

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Re: Sanchin/Seisan representing the study of binary information ... do you mean that it is a system for revealing information relating to a deeper or larger purpose? Like the I Ching or Mayan Calendar?

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Hi Jackie, hope your holiday was okay.

Right ;my entrance to uechi- ryu is nothing but sanchin ,so my info radiates from that source ,when I talk it depends were the thought is in the radiating outwards ,our old masters wanted a singular focus to sanchin ,but to aquire this focus creates a bit of a ordeal ,to get through this ordeal requires a certain ruthlessness ,its that ruthlessness I mostly speak about .I came on these forums to share some info ,I try to tell it as it is no holding back .no soft soaping .
To aquire singular in a short time ,was the handed down method ,I am only showing how the method works ,take it or leave it .
Singular is the objective at that point in uechi-ryu ,once seisan comes into events the memories obviously adapt to this input,binary work comes into effect .

So establish singular connections first ,binary connections follow .

The mayan calendar ,no idea about it .
But we do know our kata contain huge data .

Jackie the memory connections uechi-ryu offers will go in differently than the original sanchin/seisan ones, I hope this explains a bit on this topic .

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Basically every work out is sanchin/seisan orientated ,sanchin is primary positioned in this structure ,seisan reinforces and provides new energy .
The work outs are still concentrative between the two ,all energy is directed at these two kata ,you could do full seisans or sequences ,initially I prefere single sequences of seisan .

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The singular focus to sanchin provides a type of fertile soil that will receive seisan ,obviously a practioner on with this process more than likely would not be fully aware ,that sanchin provides the obove concept ,more often than not we are too occupied with simply learning seisan .
meditational knowledge of this will follow in due course .

In my notes; I kept on this ,I intuited in seed form that my inner mind /body connections ,were in a ready state to receive seisan ,but that was about all I could apprehend at the time ,to sum up a lot of work at been done ,but knowledge was proving difficult to extract at that point ,from those new stimuli radiating from seisan .
Ex amount of time later I realise in a fashion that the early stages of my attention being in two streams ,had created a type of barrier in front of receptivity ,so the principle is reduced receptivity = reduced understanding .

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So a few different concepts are emerging ,to face the puzzle,and provide a type of bedrock to puzzle learning .
My notes of the time said I am awake to the puzzle in a fashion .
What I want to really communicate is our old masters wanted singular focus that in turn produced a fertile soil ,before any attempt to introduce seisan .
1 singular focus.
2 fertile ready prepared soil .
3 Introduction of seisan .
4 awakening to the puzzle
5 divided attention.
6 juggling the two kata.
7 entrance of the searching mind .

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Jackie as I said those seven steps ,I dont really see them initially at all ,only bits of infomation ,but with time more and more additional information can be added to each step,thats a ongoing pursuit .

The way I go about sanchin/seisan study is what I wished to share , it is dedicated to the old masters in a roundabout fashion .
The way we train /study will have its own pattern ,and its from the pattern I have studied that these specific seven steps fit or should I say emerge into wakefullness ,I interpretate the puzzle aspect of sanchin /seisan as a awakener of a ongoing nature ,a differance in this pattern of study is we stick like glue between the two ,sanchin/seisan.

And like in other forms of study ,a attidude is needed .This attitude is one of intensive search mode ,we dont go into it in a willy nilly way ,I use various avenues /angles to veiw from ,but I make quite a lot of use of the "tortoise method" .
The tortoise method keeps search mode in and under better control .

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:47 am 
Max, I just thought I would let you know we are still out here reading. I look each day for your next instalment. :D

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 4:01 pm 
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Thanks Rick for interest and comments.

As you know Rick ,uechi is becoming richer in the different insights various researchers bring to the table, we now have a lot of choice ,both you and your sensei have your unique ways and offerings which are shared with us ,plus all the other fine contributers ,I express my own thanks in return ....thanks .

Before the old masters let a practioner loose searching this sanchin/ seisan puzzle,the requirements I have mentioned would be well on there way ready for use ,the terms and expressions I use are mine ,some one else would write down slightly different ,but they represent whats happening in the process give or take a bit .

In these posts I tried to express how the directional use of method brings the practioner to the doors that is the room for seisan , to enter this room is serious work ,and my notes of the time tell me I had earned the right to enter ,I was also awake to this door ,my eyes were opening ,bells were ringing all around me ,I was in tune with sanchin ,a new set of expressions that were seisan could be received into this prepared attunement that is sanchin .

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:11 am 
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In uechi -ryu when seisan is introduced ,most syllabus keep it placed out of reach of beginners ,so when it is introduced later it will be better accepeted ,at first impressions /veiwing of seisan ,a practioner would connect with aspects of seisan ,quite simply he/she have been building up to it .

Coming directly from sanchin on the other hand ,without any intermediating device to prepare for seisan ,as no help other than sanchin its self,this is a very different angle to come at seisan from ,thats why a singular focus is needed now ,singular focus is given direction ,and one of its uses will be to get behind "search mode" once search is put into motion .

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Max, I just thought I would let you know we are still out here reading. -- Rick

Hello Max. I just latched-on to this post, and I too am reading and absorbing.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:02 pm 
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Thanks Allen.
Well if you are finding it absorbing that says a lot to me ,we have chatted about things by phone years ago on various topics .we did not cover these aspects come to think of it .
I think we talked mostly about sanchin ,it was roundabout that time I was working on three articles for two magazine's ,the third article never got finished ,it was entitled the "Puzzle Principle" and because I was not fully happy with the project I shelved it .
This topic is really bits of the puzzle principle plus different angles of presenting the themes or ideas ,each principle or key word can be expanded upon ,at the time I had the main ideas in my head but not on paper ,I was just practical with no writing skill ,I had to be helped with the articles ,most of it is in the memories ,and thought ,I just keep spitting some of it out .


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Hello Max.

I don't think I know anyone who is so deeply into Sanchin as you do. It's as if you can touch the soul with Sanchin.

And now Seisan. You are very spiritual with your kata, and not in the religious sense. And, to me anyway, that's how it should be because they are very personal when one starts to become advanced in their practice.

That's more than I was going to write because I only want to read and learn from your posts.

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