Somewhere among the threads I believe Tony (Bronze Dago) said about telegraphing, something like :"who started this telegraphing crap anyway?" or something like that.
I think it's a worthy topic; I was always taught it's wrong because a savvy fighter can read your intent a mile away if you give any indication as to what you're planning to do.
This can be as subtle as a glance at the target, a look in the eye, a grimace, or the ultimate that I see in some TKD schools: hitching up your trousers before kicking!
On the other hand, you can see a train coming, but you can't stop it.
So...what are the premises for and against?
Tony, if you're reading, I hope I didn't misquote you or take your comment out of context. I just want to explore this concept a bit. I'm very interested in why someone would not want to cure this "bad" (we're told) habit?
You've obviously thought about it.
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Phil Stefanini
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A worthy subject indeed. I believe it happens because all of the attention is on hard technique (punch, block, kick) where the source of execution begins at the body extremities. A thought, rather than pro or con, would it be more interesting to consider if we would characterize telegraphing as a manifestation of a practitioner in the first stages of training?
For an opening shot you can't have any warning at all or it won't work. After that I can't imagine anyone caring very much about telegraphing. Everyone involved KNOWS there is a flurry of punches being thrown. So what? Can you stop them?
This is seen even in gentle sparring. You bridge the distance with a suprising technique and then start wailing on each other.
This is seen even in gentle sparring. You bridge the distance with a suprising technique and then start wailing on each other.
In the street brawls in http://forums.uechi-ryu.com/viewtopic.php?t=11672 fighter A throws a massively telegraphed punch that fighter B ducks. Which is all well and good except that when stands back up he runs right into the the next punch.
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Michael L.E. Court
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Interesting thread topic .... some of my thoughts on this matter....
I like to look/perceive/be aware of all possibilities of an opponent by there body positioning. Knowing and understanding how the body works and what it is capable of from different positions and stances is of great benefit here. Also being more knowledgable of varying combat styles as opposed to just one.
Some people may 'telegraph' on purpose, as setting up for a feint and the like. If you bite on the telegraph you may regret it. Granted this is more advanced type tactics on the aggressors part, but its best to be prepared for 'any situation' regardless ...
Some people truly telegraph before there intent takes into action. People are different.
I like to train in a manner of angling that neutralizes there true telegraph or feint/fake telegraph ... and put myself in a position that would allow me to control the situation regardless of which thought process/tactics they use.
So without getting into specifics, one could use there own training tools (styles) in the above stated way to become more effective in dealing with 'telegraphing'. Hope that makes sense ... or at least contributes to more thought ...
Humbly,
I like to look/perceive/be aware of all possibilities of an opponent by there body positioning. Knowing and understanding how the body works and what it is capable of from different positions and stances is of great benefit here. Also being more knowledgable of varying combat styles as opposed to just one.
Some people may 'telegraph' on purpose, as setting up for a feint and the like. If you bite on the telegraph you may regret it. Granted this is more advanced type tactics on the aggressors part, but its best to be prepared for 'any situation' regardless ...
Some people truly telegraph before there intent takes into action. People are different.
I like to train in a manner of angling that neutralizes there true telegraph or feint/fake telegraph ... and put myself in a position that would allow me to control the situation regardless of which thought process/tactics they use.
So without getting into specifics, one could use there own training tools (styles) in the above stated way to become more effective in dealing with 'telegraphing'. Hope that makes sense ... or at least contributes to more thought ...
Humbly,
Michael
