Political Correctness Has Run Amok!

[RACastanet]

Oh my God! What a way to fight a war.

'WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israeli-made bullets bought by the U.S. Army to plug a shortfall should be used for training only, not to fight Muslim guerrillas in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. lawmakers told Army generals on Thursday.'

For the full article click on this link.

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/41 ... uters.html

I sure hope the MREs do not contain any pork in the beanie weenies or chow main! Better to starve than offend the enemy.

Let the comments begin.

Rich

[Valkenar]

I sure hope the MREs do not contain any pork in the beanie weenies or chow main! Better to starve than offend the enemy.

If you're worried about the war being made tougher because of the enemy's state of mind (one of the complaints about the medias anti-war bias) then there's some reason to use the Israeli rounds for training instead of combat.

From the article

[T]he Army's assistant deputy chief of staff said the Army had sufficient small caliber ammunitione.

If it's going to fuel anti-US sentiment and allow new avenues of propaganda for recruiting insurgents, then why not avoid that if it's just as easy?

It's not about caring if they're offended because you don't want to hurt their feelings, it's about caring if they're offended because they'll fight harder the more they see it as an ideological holy war.

Really, I doubt it matters at all either way. But if it does matter one way or another it's most likely to be to our advantage to avoid the Israeli rounds.

[HALFORD E. JONES]

will only bolster the prevalent notion in the Near East and among Islamic groups that the US is run by Israel(read Jews). Neo-Nazi groups may also believe the same thing. During the Philippine-American War bullets smeared with pig grease ......well, maybe it was in India,caused some consternation and a rebellion........maybe someone recalls this better........

[RACastanet]

IMI has been supplying the US for years. I have a case of Winchester 5.56 NATO made by IMI. Unless you look at the 'A' on the end of the product designation you'd never know the difference.

It is simply idiotic to try to maintain two sets of inventory in such an ever changing military situation. The ammo all looks the same, and hundreds of millions of rounds are involved. We are talking about sorting a stack of needles here. Good grief, let the US military fight its battles without having to worry what the headstamp on the cartridge case looks like. It all kills the same.

Halford: This is likely what you are referring to. Good idea by another great American. Read on and enjoy...




No apologies to you Michael Moore wannabes out there.

Rich

[Bill Glasheen]

Man, you're on a roll, Rich! Chill, cude!

Sometimes form AND substance matters. If it makes a difference, I guess we should try.

Now and then though PC runs rampant. There are animal rights activists who will ask not to be treated with any medicine that was developed with animals. Yea, right...

Good intentions carried to an extreme, perhaps? I'll be generous.

- Bill

[RACastanet]

OK... But you must admit I found a great response to Halford.

The Marine Corps has been showing great restraint throughout this entire endeavor, even being politically correct as required. With the kidnapping and threatened beheading of a US Marine things could change overnight in Falluja (SP?). If so, the last thing the terrorists will be worrying about will be the ethnic background of the ammo being used against them.

Rich

[HALFORD E. JONES]

Yes, that bit of history concerning 'Black Jack' Pershing is interesting. Thanks for finding that item. But I think there was also something similar in India with the British in that a rebellion was caused by a rumor that the cartridges being issued were smeared with pig grease,but I can't recall the exact incident(s) historically. As for animal activists, they must not wear leather shoes. You can get killed in some parts of India for wearing such into Temples,etc. Have to dash. Keep up the good work. I don't often try to get involved in these discussions unless the spirit moves me!

[TG]

HOGWASH!!

Go here:
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/pershing.html

TG

[HALFORD E. JONES]

which means that they eat most everything. I like to tell this story of what I saw one day in the Philippines outside where I was staying. As many of you know, rice is often spread out on straw mats to dry in the sun and in or near the streets in towns,etc. As you know dogs and hogs(pigs) run loose in the streets especially in remote towns and villages,etc. Anyway, this day I observed a mongrel dog come up and defecate on the edge of the mats where the rice was. It was not just a hard turd but a really loose, runny movement and, guess what, a pig that was wandering about came by and gobbled it up like it was going out of style. That convinced me,then and there, there was some truth in the old Biblical admonitions to avoid pork,etc. Pigs in the Near and Far East were scavengers and ate up the garbage strewn, along with other goodies(as people urinate and defecate openly in the streets, sometimes,etc.) there. Natural street cleaners. Of course, parasites are apt to be most prevalent in porkers! Unfortunately, I did not have a camera to record this event and video wasn't around in that day, at least the kind we have now,etc.

[HALFORD E. JONES]

The idea about Muslim and Islamic terrorists being scared to death about pork,etc. can be found in an early movie, shot in the Philippines as far as I can tell, that is entitled,'THE REAL GLORY' and stars Gary Cooper, William Bendix, and David Niven. It is out on VHS and shows the amok, the juramentado, and the datu........I have mentioned this in other forums,notably, the Modern Arnis Coalition Forum. By the way, you might also check out the July issue of THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN as it has an article on the krag rifle that was used by the US to pacify the Moros and other Filipinos who resisted American takeover there in the Philippines. The article gives a few things of interest besides the rifle itself.

[TG]

Ahem...did you check the website I posted above?
Please do, if you want the truth.

TG

[Bill Glasheen]

TG

I'll quote the substantive part.

There are no documented accounts of these events ever happening in the Philippines or anywhere else in 1911 or at any other time. Even experts who have studied "Black Jack" have no record of it. Pershing biographer, Dr. Frank E. Vandiver, told Urban Legends expert, David Emery, that he has found no historical account of such a strategy and feels that such actions would run counter to what is know of Pershing's character.

So, it seems that the historians amongst us have some explaining to do...

Good find, TG. Thanks for the contribution.

- Bill

[HALFORD E. JONES]

entire story and often have been sanitized or 'made politically-correct'! Anyway, the idea that this method of using pork grease,etc. as a psychological tool against "terrorists" of Islamic persuasion didn't spring up out of nowhere. Where's there smoke, there is sometimes fire,as the saying goes. Here's another op-psych from a later period but used in the Philippines to fight the Huks: The CIA used the legend of the 'ASWANG' rather well, it seems by the accounts I have read, by leaving corpses of Huks,etc. drained of blood with marks on the neck,etc. Check that story out!