What's wrong with this picture?

Kevin Mackie · Post by **Kevin Mackie** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:13 pm

That trigger finger a bit out of position for someone standing so casually shouting at a photographer with a loaded gun?

Just wondering.

RACastanet · Post by **RACastanet** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:47 pm

Good catch! He would fail my training course and get no NRA certificate if I saw him do that. Lifetime hunter? Ha! He probably learned that from Senator Boxer.

Regards, Rich

Bill Bauknecht · Post by **Bill Bauknecht** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:08 pm

Wondering what he has been shooting at. He has his weapon pointed right about chest level. Well, safety first, his gun is usually empty anyway.

Bill B.

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:32 pm

Good catch! He would fail my training course and get no NRA certificate if I saw him do that.

Ha Rich! I bet you'd fail him no matter what!

Now I wonder, Is it possible that he had just shot a target and is just shouting over to the media folks? See how everyone is looking forward as though a target had just been hit. He must have shot both barrels already because those people to the (pun not intended) left of him are right there with him, and also, notice the barell is pointed forwards?

People see what they want to I guess.

Kevin Mackie · Post by **Kevin Mackie** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:28 pm

Actually, for safety reasons, his finger should be on the trigger guard unless he's ready to shoot. If he just shot, then why is his finger there? Also, the the barrel should be pointed safely, and that would not be straight out without keeping your eyes on where it's aimed.

Ditto for the yahoo behind him with his barrel up at about 50 degrees. An accidental shot from that would put a round well over whatever berm they have behind the target, or at least further into the distance than he would ever intend.

Kevin

RACastanet · Post by **RACastanet** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:16 pm

Hello Ben. You said: "Ha Rich! I bet you'd fail him no matter what!"

Actually no. I take great pleasure in teaching firearm skills and safety to the non believers. What amazes me is how many of the so called liberal left own handguns.

One of the most outrageous displays of that is by Senator Feinstien, who is on record as wanting to disarm the entire US population. Except for her, she has a handgun and permit so she can feel safe.

Also, at an anti gun rally, good old Feinstien put her finger on the trigger of a semi auto AK47 style weapon and pretented to spray the audience. She needs some safety training!

While we are analyzing the Kerry picture, there is another huge safety violation on the firing line. If you look at the angle of the photo, either the photographer is in front of the firing line or the folks behind Karry are, or both. The range officer blew this or let Kerry get away with it for the photo op.

And you Ben are always welcome to visit Richmond for some range time.

Regards, Rich

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:21 pm

I'll leave this discussion to the firearms experts and the politically motivated...

I will however highly recommend Rich to all who want good firearms training. He is NRA certified in rifle, pistol, and shotgun. And he's classified as an expert marksman (pistol, I believe) by the USMC. And I know his instructor, who was shot several times by stupid, careless students. He's even more strict than Rich - for good reason.

This isn't a game. Those who break safety rules put others' lives in danger. They deserve to be berated.

- Bill

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:39 pm

And you Ben are always welcome to visit Richmond for some range time.

Thank you Rich. I appreciate that none of this is personal.

Points from Rich and Kevin noted. Good points

Arnisador84 · Post by **Arnisador84** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:47 am

If he's shooting that thing, why doesn't he have anything over his ears? Mabye I'm just a sissy, but those things are LOUD! There are a few things disconcerning about this picture, but there is also the fact that the situation at hand isn't at all clear. The finger on the trigger is obviously the most troublesome part of it. Nonetheless, without more information, it's hard to make a judgement.
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Panther · Post by **Panther** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:07 pm

If he's shooting that thing, why doesn't he have anything over his ears?

Small, foam earplugs... They're all wearing them... makes me wonder because most avid shooters use either special, custom-made advanced technology earplugs, high noise reduction (minimum 21db and usually over 25db with many shooters opting for the well-made 29db) ear-muffs, or high-tech noise-cancelling electronic ear-muffs.

Then again, even though they're generally not considered effective enough for lots of use, those little foam ear plugs are probably the reason why Hanoi John is shouting to the camera.

This was a photo-op, so I don't care... Hanoi John isn't a shooter, gun enthusiast or sportsman. Just as the photo-op of him on a motorcycle... sure, he owns a Harley (rumor has it that it has significantly less than 1000 miles on it), has his bike license, but the other rumor is that he doesn't own a helmet! Not generally a noteworthy fact unless one realizes that Massachusetts has a helmet law! (Where is his bike located? One of the numerous Heinz mansions outside the Bay State, I'm sure...). And if you dig just a little bit, you find that his bike isn't the Harley that he keeps touting on the campaign trail as proof that he's 101% pro-american-made... His bike is a Ducati. At least according to his released financials.

Basically, he isn't pro-sportsman/gun-owners and he isn't pro-motorcycles either... His voting record is far more important than a few photo-ops.

Same goes for "dubya"...

IOW... photo-ops don't impress me... what's the real record on the issues.

I am compelled again to refer to the Lizard speech...

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No", said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward.
On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd", said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did", said Ford. "It is."
"So", said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them", said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes", said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But", said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard", said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said", said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them." he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."

- Douglas Adams, So long, and thanks for all the fish, chapter 36, 1984

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:19 pm

Check out this pic. What's wrong here? http://www.anvari.org/fun/Political/Bus ... ulars.html

or this one

http://www.anvari.org/fun/Political/Bus ... _Down.html

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:20 pm

duplicate post deleted.

RACastanet · Post by **RACastanet** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:21 pm

Hmmm...

Another candidate from the past with questionable training. Maybe it runs in the family.

Rich

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:35 pm

Never cared for Gore. He almost lived up to his name there

What's the deal with these guys and gun safety. My Dad was in vietnam and probably went through te same boot camp as Gore. He always stressed muzzle control, and I'd be in BIG trouble if I touched his double barell 12 gauge that hung on a beam in the living room.

Thanks to Massachusetts law there's a big shiny lock on the trigger now.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:41 pm

Anyone have a site I can post a picture on? It should both entertain AND tell you that any photo can be doctored to look like something it isn't.

Trust me - this one is worth it.

- Bill

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