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Post by Rick Wilson »

I think the great thing we are seeing is the variety and the amazing breadth of Uechi Ryu. I suppose this might disturb some but to me it shows a great strength of the style in that it can be interpreted to fit many different types of people. 8)

We began with a new comer Marcus who has shown strong Sanchin for just a few months. Clearly his previous training is adding strength to what he is doing. At the same time he is conflicted by that previous training and the new areas he is entering into. :D

Laird is also shifting from training on his own for many years (something we all should be amazed by and admire – could we keep our Uechi up all alone?). He is revising his approach and playing with different body mechanics and all the other crap I am throwing his way. His natural “predator” mindset clearly evident in his approach. However, that predator mindset can lead him a little too forward breaking his ground path. Doing much better though in maintaining his posture so that he is beginning to connect with his lower dantian. (But watch when the two predators meet right Laird? :lol: ) :wink:

Carlos linked us to a great site and when it loads properly we can only be amazed by the Toyama Sensei’s version of Sanseirui and the magnificently evident power. 8O

Robb posted a link to his Kata and we see an excellent example of the Uechi Kata performance most might expect to see (that is when it is performed as well as Robb does it.) His ground path is very clear in his strikes making them nice and connected. I like the speed of his Seisan. A very nice calmness to his Sanchin. Not the body mechanics I follow but again that is the strength of Uechi Ryu. 8)

Ben posted a nice Seisan showing good speed and power. If I would offer any comments I would look at the initial rooting as it is stays at waist height and the movements of the waist are horizontal allowing the hip to occasionally slip back too far into a weaker state. Look to coiling and sinking into and with the knees. :D

Next we have the first Guest of the WKS site, Alan. Another strong Kata performer showing strong body mechanics using knees and “waist” for the draw back, release and the return to Sanchin. Again offering comments I would look at the knees slipping off the base of the feet (ie. Front knee slips inward off its base of the foot on the draw back of the strike.) This cause the slight shift of the body over the rear leg that we see and a momentary weakening of balance. By pressing the knee forward over the big toe on the draw back this strengthens the movement and enhances the opening and closing of the Qwa we see Alan performing. Again good strong Katas. :D

Mark’s Kata shows power generated by the loosening of the strikes at the moment of release allowing a strong clear delivery of power. (I have had the pleasure of working with Mark so I know how much power he can generate.) His body toughening is beyond question after that testing. Mark’s Uechi moves at a different pace and form that I have currently chosen to follow but the effectiveness of his path is evident. It was Mark who first introduced me to a slightly wider Sanchin and that has worked very well for me. :D

Finally was able to load Diego’s Kata and we see another strong performance. Nice speed and pacing. Good release of power. To comment I would offer that the draw back and the release of the strike have good mechanics behind them but the return of the arm to Sanchin is missing them. This draw back of the arm with the body is a powerful application gold mine. Think of the elbow and knee harmony. :D

I am very pleased at the quality of the Katas being posted. It would be great if some more of the Seniors put their Kata out there for people to see.

George has a number of excellent Kata on the video portion of this site but we are missing the three big Kata from more of the Seniors (like David Mott, and George himself – I loved Sanchin on the beach with George at his camp. 8) ) There is a great Konchin performed by George there, as well as Sanseirui by Jim Maloney.

Keep them coming folks – I have lots of space if you can get them to me. :D
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At the same time he is conflicted by that previous training and the new areas he is entering into.
Interesting enough the conflicts are were I`m learning the most , the actually end up not showing things that are wrong but things that are right , and often an overzealous stylisation can be turned back into a principle .

Ive found this in both styles .

the commen ground in my exposure to uechi , Goju and Shotokan is just incredible .

Laird wants me to use the term japanification which i throw around a lot , it is totally true , I`m seeking the commonalities that lead back to old style okinawan karate , of course the influence of Kyoshi McCarthy has nothing to do with that either :wink:
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Post by Bill Glasheen »

Rick

This may take a bit. Be patient...

I think this thread is a good idea. I'll see if I can "capture" a few sanchins for you in the next few weeks.

- Bill
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OK I recorded sanchin yesterday. I can already see an issue with the left chamber. http://benjaminhathaway.tripod.com/aboutme/sanchin.avi
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Post by Robb in Sacramento »

Rick:

Thank you for pulling this together. It's a treat to be able to view the diversity of expression and interpretation of this art in one spot. Thank you for your kind words. But you know, I don't think you and I are that far apart in our interpretation.

Over the past few years I have had a bit of a fixation on moving from the middle, and trying to keep a sense of combat about the San Chin. The strengh I admire in my seniors comes from the inside. They have the ability to perform San Chin very powerfully and efficiently, while looking like they are so relaxed internally they could be reading a book while performing the kata. I see this ability to deliver power from our karate in those of our peers and seniors who are so proficient at sparring. They make it look easy through years of disciplining their movement and compressing the focus of their effort into a very compact and quick execution of technique.

But, to paraphase a training maxim, to get small, you must begin big. If one never feels the power that comes from doing San Chin the way you perform it, one is unlikely to ever feel it with smaller movements.

Kudos to all who have graciously shared their San Chins with the rest of us. It just shows there still is a Uechi brother/sisterhood, and the patch on one's gi doesn't matter much.

Peace
Robb in Sacramento
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Bill: Hey whenever you’re ready we’ll make it happen. 8)

Ben: Hey no Gi I like that. :D

Very nice Kata.

Some of this gets into just those “differences” I personally like to take longer begin the Kata gaining my rooting.

On the draw backs there is a tendency to allow the shoulder to raise (something I suffer from). Part of this comes from drawing the arm back too high. The important part, for me, is to have the arm parallel to the ground. Where it is on my body is immaterial (got this from Jim Maloney).

If you have your shoulders “down” as we should and bring your arm back parallel to the ground you will see it is actually fairly low on the side of the body. Trying to keep it higher raises the shoulder.

Robb:

I totally agree that the diversity makes us stronger. I appreciate all those who “put it out there” for all to see and comment on. Video is, of course, a demon because it captures all our faults and there just is no hiding. Takes some guts to post your kata.

I like the idea of a sense of combat in Sanchin (heck in all of it). While Sanchin can be viewed and useful as an “exercise” of many types the basis for all the principles lies within Sanchin and therefore a multitude of combat usages are available.

I hope others will come forward and post there Katas. The offer to host them on my site will be there for a long time.

Hopefully the respectful way everyone has addressed differences here on this thread will make people more comfortable.

Many thanks to all.

:D
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On the draw backs there is a tendency to allow the shoulder to raise (something I suffer from). Part of this comes from drawing the arm back too high. The important part, for me, is to have the arm parallel to the ground. Where it is on my body is immaterial (got this from Jim Maloney).

If you have your shoulders “down” as we should and bring your arm back parallel to the ground you will see it is actually fairly low on the side of the body. Trying to keep it higher raises the shoulder.
Excellent :)

What I need to do is combine your advice with previous advice from others. Before I wasn't bringing my hand up high enough and it made my entire upper body move. I can see now that I need to do some more mirror work. I will try to keep my shoulders down.


I'll work on this and repost in a couple weeks. This is very cool that we can all do this.

I wanted to clarify something. I previously stated that we(my dojo) post on our blocks during sanchin: like master Uechi did in George Mattson's red book. This is what my teachers teacher wants, but I prefer to do it both ways. When in class I practice his way so as not to confuse the students. I prefer the simultaneous pary block like I did on my kata. I look forward to the day when I am ranked high enough that I can do my kata the way I want to do it instead of how someone eelse thinks it should be done. I have a mixture of Uechi experiences and Ideally I'd like to combine them. Sensei Glasheen has worked with me a couple times generously spending 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours each time not just critiquing me but giving methods to improve my kata. Peter McCrae was my teacher for two years in massachusetts and was my foundation. Of course my good friend Boug Bleecker works with me bi weekly helping me fine tune my kumite and kata so I can test.

Now I have the internet to allow me to get even more influence 8)
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Post by TG »

Hi Benzo:
A tiny detail:
Observe your rear foot just prior to each strike; you will notice you adjust the heel every time, both left and right!

TG
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I posted two Kanshiwa performances of two of my students, just to share:

Green belt
http://diegoz-ar.tripod.com/fabian_kanshiwa.WMV

Yellow belt
http://diegoz-ar.tripod.com/adrian_kanshiwa.WMV


Of course critics are welcome. :D

Saludos,
Diego
Rick Wilson

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Web Site from GB with Sanchin Video Clips posted:

http://www.intbis.com/uechi.htm
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Another Uechi wweb site with Kata clips:

http://www.uechi-ryu-karate.com/video/video_clips.html

These folk have not asked for our feedback but they did put their Katas up on the web for viewing.

Very nice of both sites to give everyone a glimpse.
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Post by Van Canna »

Rick,

Nice thread. It might be appropriate to repost something from Breyette sensei, reflecting Master Toyama’s views of Kanbun’s teachings:

Kanbun practiced alone, and he taught kata as separate
techniques, then sequences.

Then he showed how one sequence linked into
another until the student was able to perform the entire kata for him
satisfactorily.

But Kanbun
never showed an entire kata to the students, not until the demonstration in
the civilian compound just before he and the students returned to Okinawa.

Kanbun
was very strict about this method, teaching his karate in stages of
increasingly deeper development and understanding. Some of these stages
took years to achieve. It still took about three years to learn Sanchin
alone!
Van
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Post by Dana Sheets »

Really enjoying this thread.

Alan - just wanted to write int to say that I really enjoy the changes you've made in your form since Heather and I visited. Your strikes are probably twice the speed as when I saw you last (couple years ago). I'm sure you've continued to improve since last January. Please send my best to everyone at the dojo. I would have loved to have made it up for another training this year but Okinawa took a bit bite out of my funds.

I'll see if I can borrow the DV cam at the office and then figure out how to get it on this thread.

cheers,
Dana
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Dana , glad your going to try and post , Bill told me he`s gonna try get some sanchin katas together at the regional if thats easier .

I for one would truly love to see it .

the more the merrier :)
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And I thought Stan was a buff bitch ...... Eh Randy

way to go Laird :roll:

hey Rick you have students huh ? , any have the balls to post ?


mwuhahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahqua ... it just closed ;)

shokens are a coming ......... Ouch
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