Do you "test" your kids' conditioning?

fivedragons · Post by **fivedragons** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:04 am

"kung" doesn't mean a trick. More like a study, a discipline, work, skill, a practice.

Kung fu, chi kung.

Someone might perform a "magic" trick and say that it is proof of the efficacy of chi kung, and that's about the point where the boat springs a leak.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:40 pm

Yeah I agree to a point. Iron Palm could be called "Kung".but it isn't a martial art only a technique

but look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnfZVDcn ... ed&search=

this guy describes what he does here as "Kung" or "kong".this is something different and seperate from his art.
It's funny because when I posted a clip of these guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-5SVkgR ... re=related

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF8_RjyMmHs

Somebody desribed them as "freaks"

.....real conditioning apparantly is when you harden parts of the body which are already hard

...he didn't like these guys because they were actually taking hits to vulnerable parts of their bodies, doing the real thing.
look at the baseball bat break.........do you know I have never seen anybody break a baseballbat over their shin....sure I've seen them break the weakest point of the baseball bat

.but if they really want to impress like these guys do, then they should have somebody hit them full force in the kneecap with the round end of the bat, or full in the face

And As I've said the only Uechi I have seen is in the UK, the last club I went to they were so busy hissing and tutting and trying to take hits to their bodies that their heads were left unguarded ( I have been told that in North America Uechi guard their heads

..which is only right)...so I'm only talking about the Uechi I've seen over here....From reading these forums over the years I have learned ( via postings about Master Toyama) that Conditioning was never done in the manner that we see it now, that it played a part but a relatively minor one and that the hard testing was only ever done to showboat the style.
So I really don't understand why folks get all worked up about something which should play a very little part in their training

they should be concentrating on the meaningful stuff, like punching and kicking and general fitness. Karate is supposed to be made up of Kihon, Kata and Kumite.after that you can include the other stuff.but me personally I would do the Chi-Ishi and the jars first and if I had anytime left after that and if I felt in the mood.then I might consider conditioning

mhosea · Post by **mhosea** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:16 pm

jorvik wrote: And As I've said the only Uechi I have seen is in the UK, the last club I went to they were so busy hissing and tutting and trying to take hits to their bodies that their heads were left unguarded

Weird. How would trying to take hits to the body encourage you to leave your head un-guarded? Seems to me that the reverse should be true.

I suppose you're nowhere near Jim Hulse. Pity that.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:13 pm

Don't misunderstand me I've trained with a couple of Uechi guys that I really like and would have stayed with.but sadly they don't teach anymore

............it was just this particular school

.....anyway I've started trainig with a good friend who has some exceptional ma skills

fivedragons · Post by **fivedragons** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:20 am

Jorvik, you should look up Max. I don't know how far you are, but I can tell from his writing that he knows what he is doing.