Sorry, another no-touch video

[Willy]

[Stryke]

Man If your going to resort to logic ... well then I just cant argue with you dot dot dot

[fivedragons]

[fivedragons]

So here's a challenge.

There's all these people out there who put on a gi and their candy colored belt. Go to "class".

Are you ready to stand up and say "this is Uechi-ryu."

Are you ready to step up and break that baseball bat, or do you just think that because someone did it in the past, uechi will magically happen to you.

What about Toyama Sensei breaking 5 boards with his big toe at 70 plus years? Can you do it, or do you think that because he did, you know the real kung fu?

Can you take that perfectly formed nukite and touch someone's spine with it?

Because if there isn't anyone who can do these things, than the kung fu that Uechi Kanbun brought to Okinawa from China a while back is dead.

In other words, it is up to you.

[Bill Glasheen]

Can you take that perfectly formed nukite and touch someone's spine with it?

Nope... And I'm not even going to go there.

I've never seen anyone who had a nukite that could be used as you are implying. I'm sure there are/were some but... To me (personally) it's like trying to use a pair of plyers to remove a nut. I'd rather get the wrench out, and do a better job of it.

But I know you view your Sanchin that way so... It's cool by me.

I`m not out to criticise what you do Bill , just interested in what you do .

It's always hard to figure out what people actually are thinking in this venue. But I'm cool with your dialogue.

Interesting you do both to teach it but there very different .

I`m always about congruency .

I hear you.

I guess you need to understand my reference frame to know where I'm coming from.

To start with, my academic training is as a biomedical engineer. By definition we are the prototype jacks of all trades but masters of none. We have to understand medicine, instrumentation, physiology, computer science, and nonlinear mathematics. We're kind of the cogs in the wheels in a team of researchers. We speak all the languages so we can get all the specialist geeks to work together.

Then picture me training Uechi mostly alone in a taequondo world while teaching college kids that I knew likely were going to graduate and start working elsewhere. I wanted to give everyone the opportunity to find another place to practice martial arts, and not be bound by a narrow view of our style, or even one style in general. Plus... College kids sometimes just want to sweat, and flirt with the person doing the same thing in the next row. Martial arts is a means to an end.

So...

I'm the perfect cross trainer. I can take a pretty simple system based upon principles, and show people how they can take it in any number of directions. I shun creating clones of myself. In my perfect world, "it" is well represented by all the many diverse people who train under or with me. Individuals start with a good basic core, but then take it and run with it in whatever direction they want.

Specialization is perfectly fine in my book.

But... Picture a guy like Gary Khoury who was always thought of as "the sparring guy." Once he retired from the ring, he had to find new areas to bring his interests. Otherwise he'd just quit, drink beer, and get fat. He turned a hobby into a career as a professional instructor. He cross trained with Blauer, Krav Maga, etc. He's found other ways to pique his interests. And he's a smart enough guy not to have to reject his core (the basic Uechi kata) because it doesn't look like what "those other Uechika" are doing.

As a style, we collectively need to let people take this material and grow it in any number of directions. Not allowing that is the death of the style. Not being able to do it is the death of one's personal practice one day when life changes and you don't.

At any one point in time, a karate practitioner ideally goes deep in something that interests him/her. At any one point in time, a karate master can bring the material in any number of directions either in him/herself, or even better in his/her students.

- Bill

[jorvik]

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"But... Picture a guy like Gary Khoury who was always thought of as "the sparring guy." Once he retired from the ring, he had to find new areas to bring his interests. Otherwise he'd just quit, drink beer, and get fat. He turned a hobby into a career as a professional instructor. He cross trained with Blauer, Krav Maga, etc. He's found other ways to pique his interests. And he's a smart enough guy not to have to reject his core (the basic Uechi kata) because it doesn't look like what "those other Uechika" are doing."

that's fine just as long as you don't call the Uechi krav maga, or start saying that krav maga techniques are Uechi
I look at Sanchin and I can fit a load of wing-Chun and Aikido into it.but it isn't there.so I don't

[Bill Glasheen]

There's nothing wrong with your point of view, Ray. It floats your boat, and keeps your world in order.

And there's nothing about any point of view that can't one day be changed by some major pharmaceutical enhancement. Ask Carlos Castaneda.

You're focusing on the problem. If you focus on the problem, you can't see the solution. Never focus on the problem!

See what no one else sees. See what everyone chooses not to see... out of fear, conformity or laziness. See the whole world anew each day!

- Quote attributed to the great physicist Arthur Mendelson in the movie Patch Adams.

As Arthur Mendelson tells Hunter Adams at the time he renames him Patch, it is incumbent upon us to see what no one else sees, because by merely focusing on a problem, we may well overlook its solution. As with the puzzle of the four fingers, knowing the "right [read: settled once and for all] answer" isn't always possible in "real life." Which is precisely why the official view of things must be challenged from time to time, for officially accepted views of things (even officially accepted versions of truth and justice) aren't necessarily so (or either true or just). There are times when tradition is a dead weight unnecessarily burdening the living, those who are made to carry it. Even if it doesn't kill us, it will slow us down and make us overlook the possibility of throwing it off, of being liberated from it.

- Steven C. Scheer



- Bill

[jorvik]

Bill how did you know of my meetings with Mescalito and Lucy ( in the sky with diamonds) and laughing Sam's dice

anyway back to yer man, just found him on the net


http://www.kungfurock.com/2006/11/27/da ... agiryuken/

apparently he is a Daito-Ryu/Aikido practitioner called Yanagiryuken....never been beaten in over 200 Vale Tude fights

they say that he is a Kiai master .i thought that was a shout, and something that I am actually quite good at myself .so then I start to wonder about this bloke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8qsBA-b ... ed&search=

I do think that some of this is quite reasonable, when I did Aiki Jutsu we used to get folks in an off-balance stance and then shout.........and it would throw them, quite cool and very real....this guy spoils it by saying there are 600 muscles in the human body connected with breathing ...........but none the less, it is interesting and a bit more plausible........I wonder if he would fight that guy Yanagiriyuken fought

I think we are getting two camps here the total rationalists, and the folks who believe in the rational but are prepared to accept a little Poetic licence

[mhosea]

they say that he is a Kiai master .i thought that was a shout, and something that I am actually quite good at myself .so then I start to wonder about this bloke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8qsBA-b ... ed&search=

I do think that some of this is quite reasonable, when I did Aiki Jutsu we used to get folks in an off-balance stance and then shout.........and it would throw them, quite cool and very real [snip]

He really thinks he is ringing that bell with his kiai (and not his foot). Yes, I agree, startling your opponent with a shout is a perfectly valid technique. It can break their concentration, increasing their reaction time, making them momentarily more pliable. Nothing mysterious about that.

[gmattson]

just a repackaging of the chi "no touch" knockout.

[jorvik]

Well I dunno, the Kiai has a lot of possibilities, just go into a crowded Mall and shout "Put The gun down Sir" and see what happens ....you can kick into a lot of pre-programmed responces

[Bill Glasheen]

Hmmm...

I think we could go places with this, Ray.

Here are the standards, which will get predictable reactions.

FIRE!! - Not a good idea to shout it in a movie theatre.

Help!! - Will evoke different responses, depending upon shouter, and shoutee. Believe it or not, most self-defense experts suggest yelling Fire!! when attacked. You are more likely to get people to come running (rather than do nothing or even flee).

Oops!!! - A surgeon never, ever says this while in the operating room. No foolin!

But you know... I'm sure folks could think up a few words to be shouted in various venues (self-defense or not) which would serve to modify behavior of those around them. If you feel in a creative mood, knock yourself out!

- Bill

[MikeK]

He really thinks he is ringing that bell with his kiai (and not his foot). Yes, I agree, startling your opponent with a shout is a perfectly valid technique. It can break their concentration, increasing their reaction time, making them momentarily more pliable. Nothing mysterious about that.

Or the guy might just respond by punching you in the nose. I did that to one guy during sparring who let out a mighty kiai. Got to be careful how someone startles.

[Bill Glasheen]

Or the guy might just respond by punching you in the nose.

Agreed. Once years ago a frat brother was waiting around a corner for me - with a bucket of ice water. Imagine his shock when his nose suddenly was flattened and bloodied.

There are times when my fist acts "without my permission." It scares the schit out of me. This was one of those times.

Beware pushing those buttons...

- Bill

[jorvik]

Well I think the shout, especially if it is a command and is accompanied with pain, as in a wristlock can have quite dramatic results ........thing about the original guy Mr. Yanagiryuken...is he really seemed to believe his own hype ......and it says on one clip that he has had over 200 Vale Tude fights and never been beaten, I know that sounds like rubbish now, but I wonder if he has got any of them on film