Good lord jorvik, I said solid not damaging.
There is a fundamental difference between hitting the gi, hitting the body surface, hitting one inch into the body and trying to put your fist through your partner.
Also - anger, control, and anger management are separate issues from what make a useful partner exercise.
If the teacher creates an environment where students can tell each other to go harder or go lighter without reservation than the kind if situation you describe happen less often. When they do happen, well, that's why the teacher is there. And sometimes people are just ugly and there will be ugly moments.
So solid, to me, doesn't mean knocking your partners across the room but it does mean hitting them hard enough to let them know they got hit. And if you want to spar harder or softer, just agree on it ahead of time.
For example, if wanted to spar really hard, I'd put on body armor. Because what you say is true. I'm 120 pounds - if some 230 pound guy accidently hits or I run myself into an even half-good side kick or front kick, I could get hurt. That's why they make stuff like body armour - so you can make mistakes while using more power but not pay as high a price.
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jorvik
Hi Dana
this has happened to me a couple of times at different dojo's that I have attended. People use sparring to take cheap shots.......my first Sensei was a great stickler for
" No contact" karate, his belief was that if you couldn't do it that way then making contact of any sort shoudn't be allowed...I totally agree...one exercise he would have us do is line our fist up with a wall...so that with arm extended you were about an eighth of an inch away...then you had to punch with full power.......if you were confident enough to do that, then you could use light contact.
I have been to lots of different clubs...and you do come across bullies ( if that is the correct word)...there are lots of people with black belts who will trade on that.....make the assumption that because you are not wearing one that you will be too scared to retaliate.
I once did a martial art called "Nippon Kempo" were you fought full contact in armour, I got absolutely slaughtered by an ex boxer who was twice my size......only to watch him easily beaten by a strutting,effeminate and arrogant Sensei who was half my size.......
this has happened to me a couple of times at different dojo's that I have attended. People use sparring to take cheap shots.......my first Sensei was a great stickler for
" No contact" karate, his belief was that if you couldn't do it that way then making contact of any sort shoudn't be allowed...I totally agree...one exercise he would have us do is line our fist up with a wall...so that with arm extended you were about an eighth of an inch away...then you had to punch with full power.......if you were confident enough to do that, then you could use light contact.
I have been to lots of different clubs...and you do come across bullies ( if that is the correct word)...there are lots of people with black belts who will trade on that.....make the assumption that because you are not wearing one that you will be too scared to retaliate.
I once did a martial art called "Nippon Kempo" were you fought full contact in armour, I got absolutely slaughtered by an ex boxer who was twice my size......only to watch him easily beaten by a strutting,effeminate and arrogant Sensei who was half my size.......
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Dana Sheets
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I guess my thoughts on what you're saying are basically that no amount of sparring gear can protect you from an unsafe environment. Everyone has the ability to choose to either stay, leave, or try to alter where they do their training. If you're not having fun and if sparring is always violent, perhaps it's time to find another school.
"No Contact" sparring can be done some of the time, but it really messes with your distancing and your intent. I definiely feel that the ability to give and take controlled contact in the freer environment of sparring helps to build skill, timing, confidence, and spirit.
Dana
"No Contact" sparring can be done some of the time, but it really messes with your distancing and your intent. I definiely feel that the ability to give and take controlled contact in the freer environment of sparring helps to build skill, timing, confidence, and spirit.
Dana
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jorvik
Dana
I agree with you, I was just showing you that we don't all experience the same kind of training.......In the first club that I went to we did all sorts of hard training...the black belt fitness test was 100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 squat thrusts....if you couldn't do that you couldn't grade......if you could then you had to spar with all the black belts for 3 mins each ( about 20)...then you did your kata etc...there was never, ever any physical contact.......and the girls in that club were tremendous....all they ever did was go for the groin ( 99.9% of the time)......slaps, punches ,grabs ......if they missed that, then they would go for your eyes....then back to the groin.......to be honest they did make some contact.Sensei always said that a woman wasn't scared of a man only another woman.....so most of the time they sparred together......whem he let them loose on the men.....we all ran for cover.
I know that you are very interested in " Women's self defence".......so I include that for your information.....with out a word of a lie I would much rather fight the men than the women that Sensei taught.
I agree with you, I was just showing you that we don't all experience the same kind of training.......In the first club that I went to we did all sorts of hard training...the black belt fitness test was 100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 squat thrusts....if you couldn't do that you couldn't grade......if you could then you had to spar with all the black belts for 3 mins each ( about 20)...then you did your kata etc...there was never, ever any physical contact.......and the girls in that club were tremendous....all they ever did was go for the groin ( 99.9% of the time)......slaps, punches ,grabs ......if they missed that, then they would go for your eyes....then back to the groin.......to be honest they did make some contact.Sensei always said that a woman wasn't scared of a man only another woman.....so most of the time they sparred together......whem he let them loose on the men.....we all ran for cover.
I know that you are very interested in " Women's self defence".......so I include that for your information.....with out a word of a lie I would much rather fight the men than the women that Sensei taught.
