80+confirmed american and british dead in hotel attack...

[AAAhmed46]

Okay, so this IS the indian 9/11, i was wrong.

The fighting is still going on, which tells you there are a lot of people involved in this. They are confirmed to have opened fire on civilians, shooting people who tried to flee the area. They took a childrens hospital (which is extremely unsettling in itself), they aren't limiting the violence to Indians as a CNN reporter saw a Japanese businessman eat a bullet, so you know they are pretty much indiscriminate desperate murdering scum who are actively trying to maximize casualties with no regard for anyone's life.

It goes without saying, all of India is likely to go fukking nuts over this schit. Indian press tends to gravitate towards mass incitement already, so expect life to get hard for some people in India very swiftly. Not only that, but it appears these guys came into Mumbai from the sea, which means they may have been training in a nearby country... (like Pakistan)... which indicates Indian relations may get really, really bad with their muslim neighbors.This ##### right here is a powder keg with a lit fuse.

[AAAhmed46]

This is strangely over-the-top and bold for a terrorist group. What I'm seeing is a lot of terrorist manpower being wasted and a great deal of protracted exposure. It smacks of desperation - and perhaps an attempt to rally the disenfranchised and radical.

I have a feeling it's at least indirectly related to the election of Barack Obama. With the outcome of the last election Bin Laden et. al. had the ideological gem stolen out of their donut.

Another possibility would be that this is Pakistani state-sponsored terrorism, though I doubt this for a variety of reasons. Pakistan just wants to ##### exist, and you don't promote your own survival by bloodying the nose of your nuclear-armed neighbor.

India, for all it's charms, is not a particularly forward nation when it comes to stringent observance of civil rights. Even after the hostages are rescued, this will be far from over. I imagine there will be alligator clips on several pairs of balls in the near future.

[fivedragons]

All very strange and sad, and for what point exactly? It seems the world has lost it's mind.

Hey everybody, let's go ape #### and do horrible things to innocent people.

The world needs to be cleansed of some very mentally ill people, very soon.

So, how do I do that? Lets say I'm 41 years old, good physical condition, no college degree, genius level IQ, trained in martial arts, other than honorable discharge 15 years ago, due to drug use, which isn't an issue anymore. No social or familial ties, no psychological aversion to killing people who brainwash children into killing other children. Willing to travel, only able to operate at peak efficiency under stress, searching for a mission in life that has real value, very adaptable to any situation, prefers anonymity, and likes to work autonomously. Would welcome the opportunity to take direct action in the service of something greater than myself. Would like to learn the arts of demolition and assassination.

What recourse?

Probably none, but I would be interested to find out what possibility there is for me to do something about children's hospitals being overrun by murdering animals.

[TSDguy]

I just see it as killing whichever-recent-country-is-involved's tourism business. I'd love to see the Nile or "the fertile valley" or Persia, but no way in hell I'm going anywhere near those places. It's not like they have much going for them other than oil and tourism. At least Egypt understands that.

[AAAhmed46]

I just see it as killing whichever-recent-country-is-involved's tourism business. I'd love to see the Nile or "the fertile valley" or Persia, but no way in hell I'm going anywhere near those places. It's not like they have much going for them other than oil and tourism. At least Egypt understands that.

Well egypt hasn't been very terrorist active compared to alot of other countries, and persia...Iran's a country suffering from political schizophrenia. On one hand it's overall become far more culturally secular, with it's political system democratic, but with a theocracy stuck inside. Don't be surprised to see Tehran as the Tokyo of Persia.

Pakistan is a great place to visit. Last i heard from my dad when he visited, fairly secular culture as well.

But be careful if you want to pick up a prostitute. Chances are it could be a hijra. They've seemed to have sprung up in greater quantity over the last ten years.

[Jason Rees]

But be careful if you want to pick up a prostitute

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Better yet, just don't pick up prostitutes, especially in foreign countries.

[AAAhmed46]

But be careful if you want to pick up a prostitute

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Better yet, just don't pick up prostitutes, especially in foreign countries.

Because they just might be men!!!

[Bill Glasheen]

But be careful if you want to pick up a prostitute

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Better yet, just don't pick up prostitutes, especially in foreign countries.

Because they just might be men!!!

Actually... no. Hijra constitute a number of different intersex anomalies. Some are genetically male (XY), some are genetically female (XX), and some are neither (e.g. XXY, XYY, etc.). We don't hear much about it in this country because most such individuals are surgically and/or hormonally modified so that they take on the characteristics of a single gender.

That was one fascinating journey through the medical literature.

- Bill

[Bill Glasheen]

And so the siege ends. And wouldn't you know... No surprises here.

Three cheers for India taking to the invaders. My guess is that we haven't heard the last of this. Payback is a b1tch.

I'm guessing that the "communications" very well may have been monitored by... someone.

- Bill

195 dead as Mumbai siege ends

MUMBAI, India (AP) — A 60-hour terror rampage across India's financial capital ended Saturday when commandos killed the last three gunmen holed up in a luxury hotel engulfed in flames. At least 195 people died.

After the final siege ended, adoring crowds surrounded six buses near the hotel carrying weary, unshaven commandos, shaking their hands and giving them flowers. The commandos, dressed in black fatigues, said they had been ordered not to talk about the operation, but said they had not slept since the ordeal began. One sat sipping a bottle of water and holding a pink rose.

"What happened is disgusting," said Suresh Thakkar, 59, who reopened his clothing store behind the hotel Saturday for the first time since the attacks. "It will be harder to recover, but we will recover. Bombay people have a lot of spirit and courage." Mumbai was formerly known as Bombay.

Officials said they believe just 10 well-prepared gunmen were behind the attacks that brought the city of 18 million to its knees for three days.

"Nine were killed and one was captured," Maharshta state Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh told reporters. "We are interrogating him." Another official said the captured attacker is Pakistani and the gunmen were constantly in touch with a foreign country.

With the end of one of the most brazen terror attacks in India's history, authorities were searching for any remaining victims hiding in their hotel rooms and began to shift their focus to who was behind the attacks, which killed 18 foreigners including six Americans. At least 20 Indian soldiers and police were also among the dead.

A previously unknown Muslim group with a name suggesting origins inside India claimed responsibility for the attack, but Indian officials said the sole surviving gunman was from Pakistan and pointed a finger of blame at their neighbor and rival.

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- USA Today

[AAAhmed46]

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Better yet, just don't pick up prostitutes, especially in foreign countries.

Because they just might be men!!!

Actually... no. Hijra constitute a number of different intersex anomalies. Some are genetically male (XY), some are genetically female (XX), and some are neither (e.g. XXY, XYY, etc.). We don't hear much about it in this country because most such individuals are surgically and/or hormonally modified so that they take on the characteristics of a single gender.

That was one fascinating journey through the medical literature.

- Bill

"Hijra'' is a very complex subject.

Alot of the ones in pakistan however are nothing but men dressed as woman.


Some hijra's are really castrated men.

Some really truly are people who have sexual anomolies.


THe hijras in pakistan, the cross dressers do so mostly because they claim to be the real thing, they claim to be literally of mixed sex and beg for money.

The reason they do this, has something to do with people superstitions and fear that scorning them is a crime to Allah.

Few people think deep enough theologically to ponder that maybe with so many fakes running around, god probably would not blame you for the rare occasion you refused to toss a penny to a real hermaphrodite.

I call them hijras, because thats what they are labelled as, whether or not they fit the dictionary term is subject for another discussion.

I studied them in my anthropology course, it's actually a fairly complex area of study, much to my surprise.

[AAAhmed46]

And so the siege ends. And wouldn't you know... No surprises here.

Three cheers for India taking to the invaders. My guess is that we haven't heard the last of this. Payback is a b1tch.

I'm guessing that the "communications" very well may have been monitored by... someone.

- Bill

195 dead as Mumbai siege ends

MUMBAI, India (AP) — A 60-hour terror rampage across India's financial capital ended Saturday when commandos killed the last three gunmen holed up in a luxury hotel engulfed in flames. At least 195 people died.

After the final siege ended, adoring crowds surrounded six buses near the hotel carrying weary, unshaven commandos, shaking their hands and giving them flowers. The commandos, dressed in black fatigues, said they had been ordered not to talk about the operation, but said they had not slept since the ordeal began. One sat sipping a bottle of water and holding a pink rose.

"What happened is disgusting," said Suresh Thakkar, 59, who reopened his clothing store behind the hotel Saturday for the first time since the attacks. "It will be harder to recover, but we will recover. Bombay people have a lot of spirit and courage." Mumbai was formerly known as Bombay.

Officials said they believe just 10 well-prepared gunmen were behind the attacks that brought the city of 18 million to its knees for three days.

"Nine were killed and one was captured," Maharshta state Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh told reporters. "We are interrogating him." Another official said the captured attacker is Pakistani and the gunmen were constantly in touch with a foreign country.

With the end of one of the most brazen terror attacks in India's history, authorities were searching for any remaining victims hiding in their hotel rooms and began to shift their focus to who was behind the attacks, which killed 18 foreigners including six Americans. At least 20 Indian soldiers and police were also among the dead.

A previously unknown Muslim group with a name suggesting origins inside India claimed responsibility for the attack, but Indian officials said the sole surviving gunman was from Pakistan and pointed a finger of blame at their neighbor and rival.

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- USA Today

THe moment pakistan became democratic again is the moment began to foresee something like this happening.

Every time pakistan has been democratic, the fact that it lacks the iron first of a pro-western dictator, \made islamofascists face alot less pressure from within pakistan.

[AAAhmed46]

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Better yet, just don't pick up prostitutes, especially in foreign countries.

Because they just might be men!!!

Actually... no. Hijra constitute a number of different intersex anomalies. Some are genetically male (XY), some are genetically female (XX), and some are neither (e.g. XXY, XYY, etc.). We don't hear much about it in this country because most such individuals are surgically and/or hormonally modified so that they take on the characteristics of a single gender.

That was one fascinating journey through the medical literature.

- Bill

....also wanted to note, hijra 'culture' is far more colourful in india then it is in pakistan, especaily when you look at the religious diversity involved.

[cxt]

Interesting to note that as of today the local Mulsim graveyard is refusing (against tradition) to take the bodies of the terrorists claiming the killers commited henious crimes and acted against the Koran so they essentially do not deserve a Muslim burial.

That alone might well speak volumes.

[TSDguy]

India actually has a future, unlike some other countries in the region. Civilization often does not accept terrorists.

[Jason Rees]

Interesting to note that as of today the local Mulsim graveyard is refusing (against tradition) to take the bodies of the terrorists claiming the killers commited henious crimes and acted against the Koran so they essentially do not deserve a Muslim burial.

Glad to see that SOMEONE in that community is taking a stand.