Bill Glasheen wrote:I'm surprised, Justin, that you don't show the least bit of empathy for someone who finds abortion to be a moral dilemma.
Well, I'll be honest. I don't have much. I've yet to hear an argument against abortion that doesn't fall fall into one of these categories: superstitious, ignorant or mean-spirited.
By superstitious I mean arguments like "it has a soul" which you have every right to believe, but keep that stuff out of legislation, thanks.
By ignorant I mean stuff like "but it's a human life." Which ultimately turns out to be false, or meaningless, depending on how they mean it. The false kind results from attributing more human qualities to a fetus than they have and the meaningless kind depend on irrelevancies like dna.
By mean-spirited I mean statements like "you were irresponsible enough to conceive it so now you should deal with the consequences." Basically pregnancy-as-punishment or pregnancy-as-sex-deterrent doesn't sit well with me.
None of your other arguments hold.
Nice rebuttal!
You should know however that the medical system already penalizes people who make bad choices. Still an alcoholic? Don't expect the system to supply you with a liver when yours goes bad.
Sure, once in a while there's something like that. But for the most part medical care is not withheld from people who have created their own medical need.
Bill Glasheen wrote:
I have no problem denying the PUBLIC FUNDING of some types of health care to people who engage in risky activity.
Realistically we're not going to do that (and rightly not, more or less) in the name of freedom. There's a gray area, but for the most part the government's business is not to say what people should do. I may have many liberal opinions but that doesn't mean that I want a nanny state.
My dear friend... I have a piece of literature for you to read.
Yeah, I've read that before. And I'm not sure why you say "gotcha" unless you actually mean "I agree completely" since I said, twice in that paragraph (which you miraculously managed to clip out) that money isn't a good reason to fund or exempt abortion. I was pointing out that for anyone who is petty enough to make a purely financial argument, that their interests are actually better served funding abortion. Now I didn't want to go so far as to call them petty, since that seems like a bit of a cheap-shot, but yeah, I think it's distasteful to argue that other people should suffer so that I can save a buck.
Speaking of distasteful, I'm shocked you would suggest frying or boiling, when grilling would do much more to reduce the excessive fat content.
