"How is this possible if women are weaker then men? "
Pound for pound, it terms of real muscle tissue,
yes, they are. BUT: we humans don't use our
full potential so who knows what we are really
capable of. There was a time when we weren't
capable of living past 40 and well, look at us now.
To Dana:
"It seems like guys in class get way more jazzed much
more quickly than I in drills like free sparring,
pre-arranged sparring, and conditioning."
I must be a woman then, because I often find myself going
Huh? Who turned up the heat? I thought he said 3/4
speed!
If I feel adrenaline, it's because the other person
is up to something and my subconscious knows it.
Thank GOD!
To David:
YOU may know it's not life or death, but could you
explain that to a few more hundred thousand
people in dojos everywhere? I think they need to hear
that.
Dana said:
"It's usually the underbelts and shodans. After shodan guys
seems to chill out a bit in sparring. "
I'm dealing with that now, as I train for shodans. The resident
shodans and other candidates like to turn up the heat on you.
Some of the Nidans too.
"It you're totaly unsympathetic or unaware of the process
women are going through - then you won't be able to help
them out, they won't be able to help themselves out because
they're not aware of what's really going on either -- and
in the end they'll drop out."
Either I live in a bizarro world, or like the article said on
women and violence, there are certain cultural attitudes
about women and violence that are not necessarily
universal. Or, perhaps it's just that they make the women
a lil' rougher in some places than others. (Names of
socio-economic/ethnic/national groups will be withheld in order
to counter stereotyping.) I've only had two female
classmates who seemed a bit more averse to sparring than
most, but I chalked that up to them never having been
in a real fight with anyone. If anything, men who
have not been in a real fight probably carry around more
false confidence about what they can do then women who have
never really fought before.
And one of those girls who had a sparring aversion was
just in denial. And she lost that veil of denial on me
one night. As she was choking me and I had to the
escape "for real" to get her off me, I knew it was an
epiphany. And, I heard the teachers over there in the
corner laughing their buttocks off. Afterwards I said
"Well, now, I guess I know THAT technique can really
work."
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Breakthroughs - exactly.
I'm saying that lots of women who need the space and time to get to that breakthrough don't get it before they get fed up and drop out.
And yes, my generalization doesn't apply to every women. But it must apply to some 'cause there are still many fewer women training traditional MArts than there are in cardio kickboxing classes.
And yes, as women's roles in society continue to change we're gong to see a change in how women are percevied in physical altercations and how they perceive themselves.
I'm not speaking for the exceptions, I'm trying to focus on greater, general trends.
Just because a trend is starting to shift doesn't mean it's already gotten 100% to the other end. For the most part girls are still taught "not to hit" more often than boys. And that contiues to a broader social context that ends in social conditioning that makes fighting and "undesireable attribute" for most women.
Dana
I'm saying that lots of women who need the space and time to get to that breakthrough don't get it before they get fed up and drop out.
And yes, my generalization doesn't apply to every women. But it must apply to some 'cause there are still many fewer women training traditional MArts than there are in cardio kickboxing classes.
And yes, as women's roles in society continue to change we're gong to see a change in how women are percevied in physical altercations and how they perceive themselves.
I'm not speaking for the exceptions, I'm trying to focus on greater, general trends.
Just because a trend is starting to shift doesn't mean it's already gotten 100% to the other end. For the most part girls are still taught "not to hit" more often than boys. And that contiues to a broader social context that ends in social conditioning that makes fighting and "undesireable attribute" for most women.
Dana
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>To David:
YOU may know it's not life or death, but could you
explain that to a few more hundred thousand
people in dojos everywhere? I think they need to hear
that.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I could tell the whole world though it won't make much of a difference. Plus, the effort isn't worth it except with the folks who train closely with me.
Generally, when folks get "jazzed" up in a dojo situation, I think they know it's not a "life or death" situation. HOWEVER (it's a BIG one), they know and feel the "life" of their ego on the line. Let go of the ego, you won't feel as jazzed up. I believe this true. So, eventually maturity will take care of this. Then, again, some never get over "It's all about me.
The other way to get over being "jazzed" up in a dojo, is to have your life threatened in a very real way out on the streets. Once or several times on the street, you'll never look at the dojo "competition" and outcomes the same again.
david
YOU may know it's not life or death, but could you
explain that to a few more hundred thousand
people in dojos everywhere? I think they need to hear
that.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I could tell the whole world though it won't make much of a difference. Plus, the effort isn't worth it except with the folks who train closely with me.
Generally, when folks get "jazzed" up in a dojo situation, I think they know it's not a "life or death" situation. HOWEVER (it's a BIG one), they know and feel the "life" of their ego on the line. Let go of the ego, you won't feel as jazzed up. I believe this true. So, eventually maturity will take care of this. Then, again, some never get over "It's all about me.
The other way to get over being "jazzed" up in a dojo, is to have your life threatened in a very real way out on the streets. Once or several times on the street, you'll never look at the dojo "competition" and outcomes the same again.
david
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Tony-San
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Tapping into "it" is a spiritual thing and will require a strong philisophical foundation. A homegrown philosophy will prove to be superior, but requires alot of work on the individuals part.
Truthfully, showing someone the way can actually lead them astray. Helping someone become aware of their needs and encouraging them to fullfill them (on their own) is a wiser approach. think about it.
Truthfully, showing someone the way can actually lead them astray. Helping someone become aware of their needs and encouraging them to fullfill them (on their own) is a wiser approach. think about it.
