My understanding is that jing is used as a term to mean different types of force emmited from the body.
fa jing - is usually used to describe explosive power - such as is often used when striking out.
however there are many, many types of jing in the chinese martial arts traditions.
here is a list - though not complete and NOT universal - most of the terms used on the site can be fairly easily understood.
http://www.spheral.com/shaolinneipai/jing.html
You'll find fa jing about 3/4 of the way down the page.
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Thanks, Dana. Yes, I was aware that there were different types of jing, and yes, I specifically meant fa jing.
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Perhaps I shouldn't use the word at all. It often is associated with chi (qi, ki, prana, "the force", etc.) which is just a catch-all phrase to throw on something when you don't know what to call it or how it works.
Check out the following article, which does the best job I have seen of taking this fuzzy, often useless term and putting some flesh on it.
<A HREF="http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_kennedy_0201.htm" TARGET=_blank>Chi, the "X" Factor
by Brian Kennedy
Copyright © 2001 EJMAS. All rights reserved.</A>
Within that article is the following paragraph that describes the word jing. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Chi as "efficient biomechanics"
Defining "chi" as a kind of biomechanical efficiency is somewhat unique to the martial arts: here chi is viewed as a "quality." To use a grammatical composition, it is an adjective; that is, a state of being or a kind of movement.
The most common analogies in the biomechanical framework are structural or engineering based. For example, "solid base," "force vectors," "waist as the axis," "alignment on a plane," and so forth.
When used this way, "chi" refers to the result of a certain alignment within the human body. Proper chi results in efficient movement and the optimal and maximal use of force; improper chi does not. Proper chi is therefore the optimal skeletal alignment and most coordinated use of the muscular system for the purpose of generating the maximum amount of force with the minimal amount of effort. Put more simply, maximum force with minimum effort. Or more simply still: efficient fighting.
In a biomechanical model, proper body alignment focuses on three fundamental elements:
* Using the body as a complete and integrated unit with the waist as center.
* Correct interplay between relaxation and contraction of muscles.
* Alignment of the skeleton to transfer or receive force.
Oftentimes when chi is used to mean biomechanical efficiency, the term "chi" itself is not used. Instead it replaced by more specific martial arts terms such as "jing" or "peng jing," which refer to specific manners of applying force.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hope that helps.
- Bill
Perhaps I shouldn't use the word at all. It often is associated with chi (qi, ki, prana, "the force", etc.) which is just a catch-all phrase to throw on something when you don't know what to call it or how it works.
Check out the following article, which does the best job I have seen of taking this fuzzy, often useless term and putting some flesh on it.
<A HREF="http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_kennedy_0201.htm" TARGET=_blank>Chi, the "X" Factor
by Brian Kennedy
Copyright © 2001 EJMAS. All rights reserved.</A>
Within that article is the following paragraph that describes the word jing. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Chi as "efficient biomechanics"
Defining "chi" as a kind of biomechanical efficiency is somewhat unique to the martial arts: here chi is viewed as a "quality." To use a grammatical composition, it is an adjective; that is, a state of being or a kind of movement.
The most common analogies in the biomechanical framework are structural or engineering based. For example, "solid base," "force vectors," "waist as the axis," "alignment on a plane," and so forth.
When used this way, "chi" refers to the result of a certain alignment within the human body. Proper chi results in efficient movement and the optimal and maximal use of force; improper chi does not. Proper chi is therefore the optimal skeletal alignment and most coordinated use of the muscular system for the purpose of generating the maximum amount of force with the minimal amount of effort. Put more simply, maximum force with minimum effort. Or more simply still: efficient fighting.
In a biomechanical model, proper body alignment focuses on three fundamental elements:
* Using the body as a complete and integrated unit with the waist as center.
* Correct interplay between relaxation and contraction of muscles.
* Alignment of the skeleton to transfer or receive force.
Oftentimes when chi is used to mean biomechanical efficiency, the term "chi" itself is not used. Instead it replaced by more specific martial arts terms such as "jing" or "peng jing," which refer to specific manners of applying force.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hope that helps.
- Bill
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"Joe Frazier was I believe the only man to knock Muhammed Ali down (but not out). He did it with a left hook."
England's Henry Cooper (a southpaw)put Ali on the canvas,and "conveniently" Ali's boxing glove was discovered to be split.Giving the champ just enough time to resume the fight with a clear head....and avoid defeat.
very good thread.
but can you clarify a few points for me?
just exactly how much more power is developed using this method.Boxers wear gloves, karateka don't.can the extra power be taken by a fist, (I know that Tyson broke his wrist throwing a hook in a streetfight)
It seems to take an awefully long time to develop this technique.I love these type of "hidden" moves, but wouldn't a women be better using other methods, the elbow for instance?
"Joe Frazier was I believe the only man to knock Muhammed Ali down (but not out). He did it with a left hook."
England's Henry Cooper (a southpaw)put Ali on the canvas,and "conveniently" Ali's boxing glove was discovered to be split.Giving the champ just enough time to resume the fight with a clear head....and avoid defeat.
very good thread.
but can you clarify a few points for me?
just exactly how much more power is developed using this method.Boxers wear gloves, karateka don't.can the extra power be taken by a fist, (I know that Tyson broke his wrist throwing a hook in a streetfight)
It seems to take an awefully long time to develop this technique.I love these type of "hidden" moves, but wouldn't a women be better using other methods, the elbow for instance?
