8 directions in 2 spheres

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:11 am

Dana, why not introduce it early on before the student locks into something being only one thing?

Dana Sheets · Post by **Dana Sheets** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:53 pm

Mike - I know that Max spends a good deal of time on just doing Sanchin with his students - not doing application or anything else. So I'm curious as to when he introduces to students that the sanchin stepping is done this way for these reasons, etc.

Personally this is something I start to teach at the very beginning - that the stance gives you strength in many directions that you can use to both extend force by striking and disrupt your opponents center through hand/arm contact, leg contact, or body contact.

But as is being discussed on other threads - just saying things like this doesn't mean the student learns them, nor does it mean the student is in a place to learn these ideas. How much do you fill up their head with principles when they're still trying to get their body to hold the posture?

Dana

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:08 pm

Hi Dana, and Mike .

We are fully aware by now ,all this talk that there was reasons why sanchin and nothing but was taught first of all before anything else was introduced ,just go back through other threads on this ,I explain various examples ?
As we all know I am only explaining this method ,and not saying this is the way etc etc you should go ,we learn more by a understanding of how various types of methods work ,yes or no ? if no is the answer tell me .

Most don't want this way I describe any way .

Again I am not saying it is exact to Kanbun ,but this part the total sanchin part gets you very close indeed .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:36 pm

The instincts for self defence are being developed in this total sanchin work ,these now at or around the time of introducing seisan can be tested to see/ experience their level .
At this point its a open book ,as the student seen the stance for the elbow strike you point out ,could have ? when attacked in numerous ways ,you would get either a reality answer no or yes .
From this series of tests ;
1 did the form hold together .

2.At what level were those instincts .

The answer to this from my viewpoint is ; more work on sanchin or quite happy, start seisan .

The student will get immense feedback from this ,a lot of reasons for training this specific way will hit home hammer like ,skill at applying that serious of tests in level of intensity is knowing the student by a close one on one instruction .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:47 pm

The student fights from sanchin pure and simple regardless of silly mistakes ,did that form crack under pressure ,I need to see if those simple motions are there accompanying ,those instincts we have been stimulating from day one in sanchin .

now I introduce arm conditioning /arm rubbing this I know will have immense impact on that level of sanchin development ,I start seisan ,say things were what I am looking for .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:59 pm

I now work seisan into the workouts ,my idea is seisan should melt into sanchin .
After a week or two learning seisan ,I will ask the student if it was worth the time and effort to sanchin ,up to this date I have not yet heard a no ,we say there is only one way to verify this try it .

Once seisan is underway I test once more to find if there ias been thought .and understanding of applications to seisan ,by pressure test , reality yes or no , if no we carry on working seisan , if yes we work a bunkai .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:30 pm

You could think once the total sanchin as been undertaken ,teach seisan ,basically I test to assess that sanchin is up to scratch before introducing seisan .

Doing sanchin training this way offers a totally different programing neuro wise ,so sanchin is in a type of flag ship position ahead of flank uechi- material ,not behind trying to catch up ,all fight test shock waves hit sanchin the flagship to see what guns it could get into action ,unaided by back up material ,I needed to know if sanchin so far could be self supporting and fight its own battles .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:45 am

Those series of tests ; prove to me as the teacher is the neuro programing of sanchin in place ,now speaking the truth on this ,not exactly in each person ,same for the instincts .
Because of flexibility there is more time available to bring to scratch ,we are going to learn other material ,but from the uechi- ryu ref; there is lots of material underlying in sanchin anyway .
Plus once some additional material is brought in to support ,its similar in effect to the 2nd world war years in GT BRITAIN when things were in a state of ration ,the level of apprecation becomes phenominal ,when a bit of butter or a bannana is placed on the table ,our taste buds are well to say the least accute .
I am trying to give a peep into this mind /body programing ,how we feel ,how we see ,were we are coming from ,were we now go .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:02 am

The programing from this method is very different, yet its a part of the history and heritage of uechi- ryu .

We have been on rations ,and we know it , chain like this feeling we feel at that moment ,in the process [flows chain like back to the masters who handed ration like their material out .we feel as one , direct feelings are in our complete grasp now ,stimulated from us by this method of rationing .
We at this point are very close to Kanbun ,the spirit of this process at this point as been felt by each and all without any discrimanation to interfere ,every one had the same chance felt the same difficulties worked the assembly of sanchin ,avoided the bridge ,launched the sanchin boat like ,it as passedthe test to be self supporting .

maxwell ainley · Post by **maxwell ainley** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:57 am

We can hopefully see that total sanchin was going somewere ,to a casual observer it looked like too much time was being spent on one thing and it was in a very slow position ,but all the time it was ahead of flank support ?.
This way neuro connections ,rationed in total sanchin have now lighting fast triggers in this neuro network ,at this point in the process ,patience acts as a softner inside this network ,its impossible to complete this total sanchin without patience ,sanchin done this way releases this important element into the network.

Kanbun sensei "Sanchin alone warrants ten years of training "

Its just a matter of increased understanding applied constantly ,daily to sanchin.